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2012 NFL Draft: Cincy Jungle Mock Draft 1.0

It's officially mock draft season. It's still very early and draft boards aren't close to being set, but it's my job to project what the rankings and draft will look like in a few months. Questions and comments are welcome as always. Without further delay, I give you our first Cincy Jungle mock of the draft season.

1. Indianapolis Colts - Andrew Luck - QB - Stanford

Is there an explanation needed? Whoever ended up with the first pick was taking Luck.

2. St. Louis Rams - Morris Claiborne - CB - LSU

Claiborne is a great pure cover CB and adds returns skills. Best player available for the Rams.

3. Minnesota Vikings - Matt Kalil - OT - USC

Vikings add the best LT in the draft to protect their QB of the future in Ponder.

Star-divide

4. Cleveland Browns - Robert Griffin III - QB - Baylor

If available, I don't see how the Browns pass RG3 up.

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Riley Reiff - OT - Iowa

The Bucs could go a number of ways here at five; I'm giving them a LT that can actually protect their franchise QB as they try to get Freeman back on track.

6. Washington Redskins - Dre Kirkpatrick - CB - Alabama

Redskins add youth and toughness to their secondary with Kirkpatrick.

7. Jacksonville Jaguars - Kendall Wright - WR - Baylor

I've learned that when everybody likes a player, that player ends up getting drafted higher than expected. Kendall Wright is that player in 2012.

8. Carolina Panthers - Michael Brockers - DT - LSU

Brockers is all potential and the Panthers are in desperate need of defensive help.

9. Miami Dolphins - David DeCastro - G - Stanford

Miami would have an elite offensive line with the addition of DeCastro.

10. Buffalo Bills - Justin Blackmon - WR - Oklahoma State

Blackmon fits perfectly in the Bills offense with their slants, digs and crossing routes.

11. Kansas City Chiefs - Trent Richardson - RB - Alabama

The Chiefs don't know what they're getting with Jamal Charles' injury. Add a Blue Chip player like Richardson and worry about it later.

12. Seattle Seahawks - Whitney Mercilus - DE - Illinois

Mercilus has the ability to play either DE spot and maybe OLB in the Seahawks hybrid defense.

13. Arizona Cardinals - Jonathan Martin - OT - Stanford

The Cardinals have one of the worst offensive lines in football. They add a finesse OT in Martin.

14. Dallas Cowboys - Melvin Ingram - OLB - South Carolina

Dallas may have a void at OLB opposite Demarcus Ware. Without being able to take a CB or Safety at 14, Dallas adds to their pass rushing abilities with Ingram.

15. Philadelphia Eagles - Luke Kuechly- ILB - Boston College

The Eagles haven't taken a LB in the first round since the 80s. Maybe that's why they could have the worst LB corps in the NFL?

16. New York Jets - Courtney Upshaw - OLB - Alabama

For as good as the Jets defense is, they can't get a pass rush without sending the blitz. Upshaw is versatile and can help the Jets become more dynamic on defense.

17. Cincinnati Bengals - Stephon Gilmore - CB - South Carolina - 6'1" 195 lbs

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Of the list of the Bengals biggest needs, Cornerback ranks among Guard, Runningback, and Safety as the biggest areas in need of youth and potential. Free agency always changes a team's needs, but CB may be the hardest to fill with a veteran free agent. Leon Hall is coming off of a serious injury and Nate Clements doesn't have many years left. Adding a rookie to that mix would add some youth and athleticism as well as protecting the team from being left without capable players if a starter gets hurt.

Stephon Gilmore may be a surprise pick, but he is the number three CB on my board and is somebody that I project will gain momentum as the draft approaches. Gilmore left South Carolina early and still has some finer points to learn, but he has the size, speed, and athleticism to become a number one CB. He's built like a safety and is very aggressive against the run. He can really lay the wood and isn't afraid to take on RBs and TEs in the flats. He's a sure tackler and has experience in both press and off coverage. He could be that off-man cover CB the Bengals lost in Johnathan Joseph. It's an easy comparison (and I hate to even use it), but Gilmore looks just like Dunta Robinson when he came out. It's more than them playing at the same school and having dreds. It's the way they are scheme diverse, play the run, can employ the "Hit Stick", and blitz the QB. Speaking of blitzing, Gilmore is a natural and one of the best I've seen in years at the collegiate level. I could see Stephon Gilmore as one of the Bengals starting CBs by 2013.

*Note: My full Stephon Gilmore scouting report should be posted sometime in the next few days.

Other Options at 17

A. Michael Floyd - WR - Notre Dame

Floyd would be the perfect compliment to A.J. Green's skills as the underneath and over-the-middle type of WR. He also adds the return ability the Bengals should be looking to upgrade. But, in 4-5 years, will the Bengals pay two WRs in their prime?

B. Nick Perry - DE/OLB - USC

DE is a bigger need than I first realized. Fanene and Rucker could be gone, Geathers should always been looking over his shoulder and Michael Johnson and Carlos Dunlap have never proven to be full-time starters. Perry could also be that pass rushing Sam LB that Marvin Lewis has been trying to find.

C. Dont'a Hightower - LB - Alabama

Where is the coaching staff's confidence in Rey Maualuga after an up-and-down year? Will he take the next step in 2012? Is moving Rey back outside an option? With so many questions in the middle, Hightower could be the player to answer them. He could also play the strong side until the LB corps is figured out.

D. Alfonzo Dennard - CB - Nebraska

Perhaps the Bengals don't share the same love for Gilmore that I do. The next best on many boards is Alfonzo Denard. I'm not a fan of his skills for the Bengals. He's on the shorter and slower side.

E. Devon Still - DT - Penn State

If Pat Sims leaving in free agency, DT is a huge need. Geno Atkins is the man, but Domata Peko is average on most days. Still would be that huge, run stuffing presence to pair with Atkins for years to come, while also adding to the line rotation in 2012.

18. San Diego Chargers - Michael Floyd - WR - Notre Dame

Chargers could be losing their top two WRs and Floyd can step in day one and provide instant impact.

19. Chicago Bears - Alshon Jeffery - WR - South Carolina

Jeffrey adds much needed size to the Bears WR corps; could be day one starter.

20. Tennessee Titans - Nick Perry - DE - USC

Perry is an underclassman and hasn't reached his potential; could've been a top 10 pick next year. The Titans could be getting a steal at pick 20.

21. Cincinnati Bengals - Mark Barron - S - Alabama - 6'2" 218 lbs

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There are a few starting spots open on the Bengals heading into the off-season, safety is one of them. Mark Barron is widely considered the best player in yet another weak safety class. After Barron, there is a significant drop off in talent. If the Bengals re-sign Reggie Nelson, signing another veteran free agent safety may be out of the question. I look for the Bengals to address a position they have neglected for years.

Mark Barron is just starting to become the player he can be. He was always known for his aggressive attitude towards the run. He's made highlights with bone-crushing hits. Heading into his senior year, scouts wanted to see Barron play better in coverage. Can he cover the TE, play deep center field, how are his balls skills, can he change direction good enough? These were all questions in Barron's game. This year, Barron progressed in every one of his flaws and really opened eyes and the imagination of scouts. It looks as if Barron is just now coming reaching his potential and there may be very few limitations to what he can do in the NFL. He's still not the best in coverage but what he offers as an enforcer and run defender are exactly what the Bengals need. With the need to rotate and play both safety spots in Cincinnati, Barron can do just that and also be a leader of the secondary in a few years.

Other Options at 21

A. Peter Konz - C/G - Wisconsin

Even though he played center, Konz is my number two rated guard and he comes from a very similar offense in Wisconsin. A lot of their same line concepts the Bengals also use. He would step in and start at RG on day one.

B. Lamar Miller - RB - Miami

The Bengals haven't had a real home run threat at RB since I can remember. Players like Miller are rare. In fact, there isn't another player like him in this draft. He has blazing speed and elusiveness that the Bengals lack.

C. Dwight Jones - WR - UNC

Again, why do I put a WR on this list? Over last few years, WRs taken in the late first round have found success and a good rate. Look at the most successful offenses in the NFL. They have more than one WR. The Bengals need to surround Dalton with as many weapons as possible.

D. Quinton Coples - DE - UNC

Coples is a boom or bust type player. He is very similar to our own Carlos Dunlap. Big frame, strong and can run. Why doesn't he have more sacks? More talent than he is football player. As always with these types of guys, their best should be ahead of them.

E. Janoris Jenkins - CB - North Alabama

Jenkins has made his own bed. Now he has to sleep in it. He could've been a top 10 pick had he kept himself clean. Instead he transferred to a DIV II school and played pretty average. The only thing saving him now is his electric return skills.

22. Cleveland Browns - Dont'a Hightower - LB - Alabama

The Browns are fine at MLB with Jackson, but he isn't getting any younger and has dealt with injuries in the past. Hightower could start at strong side until he moves to the middle.

23. Detroit Lions - Alfonzo Dennard - CB - Nebraska

The Lions have the pass rushers, now they need the secondary to provide some coverage. This defense could be lethal with another CB and safety.

24. Pittsburgh Steelers - Devon Still - DL - Penn State

Steelers go best-available-player here and like always, find a gem. Davon Still can replace Casey Hampton at NT by the end of 2012.

25. Denver Broncos - Fletcher Cox - DT - Miss State

Cox is going to rise up draft boards by April and the Broncos can complete their front-7 by adding him.

26. NY Giants - Zach Brown - OLB - UNC

Brown is a crazy talent and the Giants could use more athletes in the LB corps.

27. Houston Texans - Dwight Jones - WR - UNC

Andre Johnson has always been injured and has never played with a legit threat opposite of him. Jones alleviates pressure from Johnson and can be their go-to guy in a couple seasons.

28. Baltimore Ravens - Quinton Coples - DE - UNC

Ravens add a player that can help the defense by getting pressure on the QB. Right now, it's only Suggs.

29. New England Patriots - Dontari Poe - NT - Memphis

Are the Pats a 3-4 or 4-3? Either way they could add a DT and Poe is a difference-maker.

30. San Francisco 49ers - Peter Konz - C/G - Wisconsin

Konz can play either Center or Guard and you have to think the 49ers would love to keep running the football and protecting Alex Smith.

31. New England Patriots - Mohamed Sanu - WR - Rutgers

The Patriots biggest issue on offense is their inability to beat man-to-man coverage on the outside. Sanu provides a big body that can win outside the numbers.

32. Green Bay Packers - Lamar Miller - RB - Miami

Packers always draft best available, Miller is not only that, he fills a need. He could be the final piece to an almost perfect offense.

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Comments

Gilmore is a good pick...

In the second round. Not the first pick of the first round. Personally, I think Jenkins and Dennard are both better.

I am absolutely in love with the Barron pick though and I really hope they pick him up.

Also...

LSU DT Michael Brockers came out, and that would be another interesting DT prospect. I wouldn’t be shocked to see them take another LB like Keuchly or Burfict either. I’d also be happy with Gs Cordy Glenn and David DeCastro.

He got a first round grade from me and i’m sure other NFL teams have also. He’ll go round 1.

But, everybody grades differently.

Fair enough.

There’s things about his game that I like (really rough against the run, good tackler) I just don’t know that he has the makings a potential shutdown type of guy the way Jenkins does, despite his character concerns.

Jenkins played like a 3rd rounder this year. I don’t want a guy who’s uninterested when things aren’t going right. He is all potential. i’ll take him round 2.

I have to agree

If the guy is as good as people say he is, he should have gone to Div II and just destroyed it. That’s what Bernard Scott did when he basically got tossed out of Div I. Instead, Jenkins wasn’t even one of the best corners in that JV division. I can believe that a lot of that was he wasn’t motivated and not necessarily lack of talent, but that’s enough of a red flag for me. I’ll pass.

Exactly. He went to Div2 and was the 2nd team CB in that conference. Let me repeat… Jenkins was the 3rd or 4th best CB in a Div2 conference!

He took risks or acted like he was too good. Got lazy in his technique and played poorly. He was actually benched in one game this year. Take him round one if you want. I’m not.

Joe - you're honestly not going to use a post-season all conference award selection as your basis for evaluating talent are you???

You do realize that post-season “all conference” team nominations is a very, very subjective process, and one which is guided by the subjective whims of sportswriters and coaches??

But most importantly, if you are, in fact, going to base part of your evaluation of Janoris Jenkins on the fact that he was VOTED second team all conference at DII North Alabama, then, by logical extension, every first team All- American D1 player must receive a high grade (at least in part) because of that post-season subjective award. You see – it doesn’t quite work that way.

Janoris displayed enough during his first two years playing at Florida and in the SEC (which is essentially the NFL’s Triple-A) that he will be a first round pick, and likely top 20.

No. It doesn’t affect his grade. I brought it up because I understand not everybody has been able to watch North Alabama this year. I stated the flaws I seen in Jenkins game this year. After a few comments, my word only goes so far. So I had to throw somewhat factual information out there. In this case, all conference was something people can look up themselves.

Agree to stay away from Jenkins....

guy didn’t dominate against lesser competition and has character issues….no thanks.

He was arrested for small marijuana possession.

That does NOT, in it of itself, equate to Character issues! If it did, probably 75% of the NFL has “Character” issues, 75% of the NBA, Tim Lincecum, Michael Phelps, half of this nation’s college students, and so on.

It may, however, reveal bad judgment (but all of us have exercised less than stellar judgment at some point in our lives), buy it does NOT reveal bad “character” in the least.

was arrested 3 times*

With our recent movement we are trying to get rid of some of the problem children not take on more.

He was arrested for small marijuana possession.

That does NOT, in it of itself, equate to Character issues! If it did, probably 75% of the NFL has “Character” issues, 75% of the NBA, Tim Lincecum, Michael Phelps, half of this nation’s college students, and so on.

It may, however, reveal bad judgment (but all of us have exercised less than stellar judgment at some point in our lives), buy it does NOT reveal bad “character” in the least.

how close are your grades for the 2nd tier cb group?

Gilmore, hosley, minnifield, Jenkins, and even that josh Robinson guy all seem to be pretty close.

I think Claiborn & Kirkpatrick are top-10 guys. Then Gilmore & Dennard are the next two. Jenkins is my 5th. Then there’s a drop off. The next 4-5 guys are solid 2nd round picks. I do like some better than others and i’ll post my CB rankings soon. But I think there is a drop off. Could be 10-12 CBs taken in first 2 rounds. Very deep.

I agree.

I don’t think I’ve seen a single first round grade on him.

Good! I like to be the first. haha

this guy just gave gilmore to the bengals first round


chris steuber

Damn Chris! I’m going to yell at him!

Barron a Steeler?

GOD PLEASE NO

was thinking the same thing.
Just got Chris' opinion on Gilmore.

@ChrisSteuber: @JoeGoodberry “I think Stephon Gilmore is the most underrated player in this draft. I love his ability. IMO, he’s a top 20 talent.”

tweeted something similar last night too. you must have been busy making this mock! hah
Most underrated #NFLDraft prospect, IMO, is #SouthCarolina CB Stephon Gilmore. Great size, physical ballhawk, smooth defender; top 20 talent

I made this Thursday. Put it on the site yesterday. Published today. Just how it works sometimes. He beat me to it.

you sound truly deflated
Me too.....

always second round at the earliest….who gave him the first round grade? Way too big a reach in the 1st…..Barron I could go for, but we could get this guy in the 2nd easily and if not other CB’s of equal value will be there.

I gave him the first round grade. I have the training and experience to make my own grades. I do it every year. He’ll be a first round puck barring injury or an implosion at his workouts.

Good, then we'll know who was horribly wrong after the draft :)

Hey, don’t know enough about him honestly, you must have the inside scoop. Seems like a huge jump for this guy, from what I’ve been reading it’s difficuly to separate Dennard, Hosley, Minnifield, Robinson and Gilmore. Jenkins is kind of the wild card too….should be interesting.

Ha. No inside scoop. Not on this player st least. Just my opinion.

I do give you credit...gutsy call.

Respect the fact that your going out on a limb. Will be looking forward to the 2nd round when you publish…..

I’m going to do a “2nd Round options” post eventually

While we're talking DB's.....

what’s your take on Trumaine Johnson?

Wright before Blackmon?

Blackmon doesn’t make it out of the top 5. If he does, there will be a mad rush to trade up and get him.

We’ll see. I talked to scouts and “people in the know” that said Blackmon will run a 4.6-4.7 and that teams wont take him top 10.

Also, A LOT of teams gave Wright as the #1 WR.

Speaking of slower receivers, I'm interested to see what happens with Jeffry.

His size, hands and vertical are top notch, but a receiver with his lack of speed is alarming. I’m just not sure he can be a number one receiver on a team.

Difference between Blackmon & Jeffrey are how they get their yardage. Blackmon is a run after catch type. While Jeffrey is a ‘play-above the CB’ type of WR. He can get deep because he can make plats on the ball. Blackmon lacks that elite skill. Jeffrey will be coveted for that ability. Will be ever be elite? I don’t think so.

Scouts tend to create classic smokescreens when divulging information about prospects to anyone not within their organization

Especially when it comes to saying “I rate player X above player Y.”

I wouldnt spread info that I didn’t trust.

Yeah I agree

Blackmon will not make it out of top 5…guy is a monster

totally agree

He does not make it past Min I think. They need a top WR and Blackmon is that guy. He sealed his position inthe draft with his play in his bowl game. Top five, first WR off the board.

yeah from what i heard

he goes to stlouis to help bradford

Just like Nick Fairley last year

I don't get that comparison.

Fairley fell because he got a reputation of still acting like a JUCO guy, having a bad work ethic and bad attitude. As far as I know, there are no such concerns surrounding Blackmon. He’s done nothing but dominate in college- there are no “one year wonder” concerns, no worries of him having a bad attitude, no past experience at a low level, etc. He’s not on AJ Green’s level, but he might be on the next tier.

My point was don’t over-react to one game. Bowl games are great, but it doesn’t make a players’ grade.

Blackmon was considered the best receiver in the draft long before the Fiesta Bowl.

He’s been considered a top prospect since his sophomore year, actually.

So was Fairley. Then Dareus climbed boards as people watched tape. I’m just saying…

Blackmon has proved himself at a high level over the last two years.

Agreed, he has. I like Blackmon. But his stock will drop after workouts.

this is a great point

People put so much stock into a bowl game…Yes it is a big game…but dont overlook the entire product…..see Jamarcus Russell….had a HUGE bowl game and……well….the rest is history

just saw an article on mocking the draft

Saying a few teams have wright ahead of blackmon.

I smell classic smokescreen

Just like a report came out literally a week before the draft that the Bengals had Julio Jones rated higher than A.J.

The line used in these comments of, "I’ve talked to scouts of some teams . . . . And they have player X as their number one (insert position) over player Y. Yeah, scouts and team executives have NEVER been known to lie and embellish – never! They always tell the truth. Please.

Smokescreen – especially when it comes to individual team reports or scouts from one team divulging information. Classic Smokescreen

right, but Joe is doing is own grading

not just talking to other scouts. I like that we have a guy on the Jungle that is doing some real-deal analysis, not hack job analysis, such as my own

Nice Mock...great job with the format of this article...very smooth

I like your picks and options….I really like Miller at 21…but who knows…I love watching the NFL draft…at least rounds 1-3..after that it kinda gets a little too much

I am with you though on Barron

We have not had a good safety or RB in FOREVER…..FOREVER

Love the sandlot reference ...

Oh the great Bambino, Ohh I thought you said the great Bambi

And Wendy Peffercorn.

He made the moves on the lifeguard.

hell if miller falls that far into the 1st round

the bengals need to consider trading their 2013 #1 pick for a late round 2012 pick and grab miller.

and i never advocate trading into the low 1st round with a possible high round pick. 99x out of 100, its a stupid trade. to get miller, it would be wise.

I might be tempted to go with Barron and Miller.

Barron’s probably higher on a lot of draft boards than Gilmore. If he falls to 17 I might go ahead and grab him there. If Gilmore goes off in the next 4 picks, good chance Miller is still there at 21.

+1

I like this too…Hopefully we can get a CB in round 2 or 3 or FA….but these two players are awesome

Good argument. I like that.

Agree

Baron @ 17, then Miller @ 21 would be sweet. I would consider moving up in round two to get our next Best Athlete Available depending on who’s there.

Sorry I just have to add this

So who do you think Oakland will pick up to complement Palmer??mwahahahahahaha

in the 7th round?

do they even have a draft pick this year? lol

This mock draft is horrible

You’re horrible.

Good one dumbass

2 productive posts

On a roll this morning I see.

"good one dumb____"

that adds to your 75 articulate and profound posts…keep em coming

thanks for objective feeback...keep it coming

you are the guys that keep this site going………..good job on that post

Thanks! I’ll fix it for you and give you Two Guards that aren’t worth the pick. Sound good?

What about the O line?

It seems to me we need to get a center or a guard or both in the first round unless there just isn’t enough talent in this years draft. Do we have 2 picks in the second round this year also?
I really don’t think the need for a safety is as bad as the need for offensive lineman.

bengals just extended cook

He’s the center and staying. Can’t argue with needing a guard though, hopefully they grab a good free agent.

The 2nd round is LOADED with guards. Could be 4-5 taken in round 2. All can be starters in year one. That’s the sweet spot this year.

I assume, though...

that you still think DeCastro is too good to pass up at No. 17? He’s long gone in your mock, but if he’s there, we take him, right?

Yes. 100% take him. He’s a blue chip player.

If that's the case

the best move might be moving down with one of the first rounders if possible and picking up an extra 2nd. Then they still address defense in the 1st round and can pick up the OG/RB in the 2nd. Hopefully a player drops that someone at the end of the 1st round covets.

I think a trade down is a very real possibility. Their biggest needs (sans CB) can be found in round 2. Guard, RB, Safety

do you grade miller as such a good back

That he can be a superstar? To me that’s the only backs in the first round. I feel if Miller is just good, we can find good backs later.

Running backs and QBs are always the biggest gambles in the draft

I love Miller though

Yes. He can be a superstar. He can be a Jamal Charles or LeSean McCoy. Nobody else in this draft can be that. He’s worth a first rounder. Somebody will take him there.

and when I say “nobody else can be that” I mean a speed threat that makes defenses scares. I think a few other backs can be really good.

I'd love to get Miller with the 21st overall.

This offense would be scary with a RB who can score from anywhere on the field.

Agree. That’s why I our him as option #2. He’s the best player at that point, but RB has been devalued. He could be something special that the Bengals haven’t had.

Sounds good if the bengals would use him right.

Green Bay getting Miller would be almost unfair...

You don’t think Richardson can be a superstar? He’s not in the LeSean McCoy mold, but I think he’s in the AP.

Oh of course I do. I meant of the RBs being available when the Bengals pick.

off topic, but may be useful in 4 years.

Did you happen to see the high school all American game, and if so, what’d you think of primetime Jr?

I did watch. He’s small (5’8" 170 lbs) but he’s also 18 years old. I think he runs a 4.5 now so that wont get much better if at all. He has an uphill battle but I bet his footwork and technique will be great. He looked fine in the game.

Also, Jim Kelly’s nephew was in that game. Barry Sanders’ son also just graduated HS. This is really fun to watch these guys.

was Barrys son in the game?

I don’t remember seeing him. Ken Griffey jrs son was playing wr too.

Puff Daddy’s son plays at UCLA right?

yea, on a full scholarship for corner

Glad puff daddy doesn’t have to stress out about paying those student loans back.

Ha! so true.

Barry Sanders Jr. committed to Stanford during that game.
Also, Barry Sanders Sr. handled himself in as professional and classy of a way as you'd expect from him.

He didn’t want any of the attention for himself, though he could have easily taken it. It was all about his son that day.

all that must have happend when i had to leave for work
um...are there two michael floyds at notre dame

or is he so good that he can get picked twice

that was other possible picks for the bengals.
nevermind he was an other option

ignore this

great choices here

probably reflects changes between now and the draft better than anyone ive seen so far.
kendall wright and gilmore are interesting moves especially, and im glad guys like jeffery, richardson, and blackmon are all lower than most have picked. those offensive guys get so hyped right after bowl games end

They always do

I guess I think this mock is plausible

but i would be surprised and disappointed. The thing is unless zimmer leaves and we install a new defense we dont have good cover safeties instead we have hard hitting good safeties who can blitz while relying on good corner play on the wr. we need to take a cb who is good but not janoris jackson. Maybe we pick one up in fa but i say we take one first round also some of the best guards of this draft would be available I say we take one first round. We are weak the most at guard when both backs are having subpar numbers, your qb has the most batted down passes and it seems most plays and dalton is getting pressured up the middle you need interior help. Could we address this in FA maybe but i would like us pick up a corner and gurad in the draft and in FA get a great guard.

wow....talk about just throwing darts at a board from picks 2 thru 16

What do you mean?

Wright going before Blackmon
KC taking another RB when they have recently drafted J Charles & McCluster
GB drafting a RB anywhere near round 1
etc…
etc…

I knew what I was doing.

we cant pass on jenkins because he smoked pot in college

When your 18-19 years old u do and try stupid shit. Hands down Jenkins is best defensive player in draft. Ask AJ should we select Jenkins and he will tell u man is real deal. Name last real deal player to come into draft with character issues and just FUCKED UP when they got to NFL? If u went to college and didn’t try pot or any other drug I wouldn’t believe u? What’s difference between green and Jenkins? Zimmer has handled every player with issues before they came here with excellence. If Zimmer stays give him his weapons like Gruden got last years draft. Jenkins and Barron will have same impact on our defense that Green and Dalton had on offense.

jenkins also sucked at d2
He demonstrated unquestionable TOP TEN draft talent while playing in the NFL's Triple A (the SEC)

He was the best defender on a Florida defense that featured many future NFL players (and many first and second round draft picks).

Not sold on him at all, especially in round 1
if im going to draft a d2 player in round one

He should dominate in d2.

Even on the field…
I have Gilmore over Jenkins

Pat Sims

Is the key to the Bengals draft. They should sign him before free agency starts.
If he leaves, the draft will be mostly defense. If he reups they could sneak a big fast back into round 1.

Imagine Sims leaves and at 17 Trent Richardson is still there. But so is the DT they covet.
Theyd have to go DT.

I disagree there.

Sims is awesome and important to the defense, but it won’t take a first rounder like Thompson to fill that spot. We’ve got our starters in Peko and Atkins. If Sims leaves, I think a 3rd or 4th rounder who has a big body, good strength and can eat up space would suffice. I don’t have a name in this draft off the top of my head- you’d have to ask Joe on that one- but there are usually a couple viable rotational DTs there in the 3rd or 4th.

exactly what i was going to say.
It took 3 years for Sims

To be the run stopper he is now in this defense. This team is poised to win now and can’t wait for a 3rd or 4 th round guy to develop. Plus we got massacred by running teams when Sims was out. You evidently think giving up almost 400 yards on the ground in last two games is AOK.

a guy who can be a rotational dt used to stop the run

Is not a 1st rounds pick. Not saying I don’t want a stud dt, I wanted darius to fall to us last year, and even was for taking fairley, but with the emergence of adkins, a rotational dt is all that’s needed to replace sims.

Jurrell Casey was there with out 3rd round pick last year..

He stepped in and started right away for the Titans and is one of the best run stuffing DTs already. I wanted him there and it still burns. There are absolutely guys who can step in right away as rotational guys in the 3rd round. Agree with you 100%.

Didn't we have a rotational guy subbing for Sims?

Fanene for example and we got run over after Sims left. We have a poor dline against the run right now. This is obvious.
There are a number of ways to improve it but most ways go thru the draft plus signing Sims.

i agree go through the draft

Would live a 3rd or 4th round dt.

That is Marvin's sweet spot

The 3-4 round DLine. Peko, Geathers, Johnson, Atkins, and Rucker all came there.

lol peko is starter

Simms was only depth, Peko is captain of our #5 ranked defense of course he can get job done. Peko is weak link and Johnson need to step his play up. He never gets double teamed should make more plays.

Worst case senario..

Pick up a DT in free agency,also worst case pick up guard in free agency.there are going to be guys there,and if we get our guys and a few others, it can free up the draft for the positions we want to draft for..

Simms

Simms getting hurt killed his value. He was playing for possibly monster contract. He doesn’t have enough film it stats to demand much. Only way he leave is if we let him. Outside of this board a lot of people don’t even know Simms. That’s a huge plus for us. Only players we have to worry bout leaving by getting paid big money is Simpson and Nelson.

Clements need to be cut also

If Hall comes back healthy and we re sign Jones, were does Clements fit in? Were taking cb with one of top picks that’s guaranteed. Clements gets #2money but will be 4th corner out of that group. I say release him pick up another cb in free agency and will still have ghee.

Something I do like about Clements is-

His consistent ability to try and strip the ball, his solid tackling and veteran knowledge of the game. He was slow and a drop off from Joseph but overall he did well once he got settled in. He provided what we needed at the corner position considering we had no off-season.

while he is no jjoe

Clements played very well this year. He’s not going to cover speedy quick wrs all game, but he does do a good job. Honestly think he might have played better than hall, if not about as good.

Clements is still a solid CB....

not sure what we’ll have in a rookie CB, no matter how high we take them. Clements is signed for one more year, we need to keep him for CB and possibly even S depth.

I agree

his speed has diminished over the years but he is still a vet presence and a solid tackler…I would keep him….

tackler/vet presense

Sorry but once again I don’t want my corners known as only good tacklers. If that’s all u can do maybe u should be ss but Clements is no longer a NFL corner. And quit saying veteran presence when he played on horrible teams and never been to playoffs. I could see if he won championships or was always in winning organizations. But what he go tutor our corners on when he getting beat every play and never been on winning team? Dude he’s not Woodson or Bailey. Hell he never was better than Weinfeild. This is a passing league no place for slow ass corner. Outside of Caldwell name one Wr Clements can shut down on our team?

He was a probowl corner and knows what he's doing...

you realize there can be good players on teams that don’t go to the playoffs right?

i think hes like up near top 10 in picks among active players too.
i think coaches no more than him

We don’t need coaches on field we need playmakers. Clements is not a starter on any NFL team after this year.

could he number 1 corner on half the teams in the nfl
+1

He’s still a way above average #2

Clements has missed a lot of plays this year

I do not argue with that at all…I still think he brings ability over anyone we have right now besides Hall…soooo..until you have a better plan at CB…I will stick with him…..for now

of course he can be upgraded

But to say he’s not a starter anywhere but here is insane. He’s a 2nd on most teams on the league and a 1st for a handfull, half is probably pushing it I’ll admit that.

only way i take him as starter

Is if we get M. Williams. He’s too much of liability at this stage of his career too be any factor at cb. If he still could be starter why are we going after cb in 1st rd? I wouldn’t mind having Hall, Jenkins, Jones, and Clements as my corners. But we can’t have Clements one on one against nobody but nobody.

because hes 32, and nobody has said hes a superstar
He went to the play-offs this year

You can’t say he hasn’t been to the play-off’s.

how is qb having close too 75% against u good

He got murdered down stretch, when he was basically trying stick tight end and walters of world. Our secondary was horrible the worst in years and Clements was only better than Crocker. Either the qb over his Wr or Wr dropped pass, but Clements was beat on 98% of plays.

stop it

Ur happy bout a guy getting burnt 70% of time and has one strip on the year out of 75 attempts. No thanks, get into coaching or move too safety. Can’t cover no Wr in NFL.

70% of the time? I don't think he would have saw the field if that was the case....
cant win an argument with this guy

The whole defense sucks and needs replaced, it the only chance of winning.

Exactly

The guy just doesn’t listen even when proven wrong…

How many games did u watch this year?

U must only seen couple games live. Must get ur info from a game log.

How many games did u watch this year?

U must only seen couple games live. Must get ur info from a game log.

Im happy!

Clements was solid! He was a tackling machine. Great move by the front office to bring him in immediately after we lost Joseph.

Clements = safety

Hopefully a move we make next year. Great tackler, can still cover…better suited for safety now.

no doubt there

But still a good enough corner.

I wouldn't mind Clements as a Safety, but only as a FS.

Unfortunately, we have one of those.

Nelson can play both equally as well in this system.

can someone pff clements and get some real numbers?
Thank You!

Unfortunately that won’t be me. __

If your gonna throw out ridiculous stats then bring facts.

once i start my new job

I will get pff just so I can stop hearing bogus stats from people.

lol of course wasnt 70%

It was highest on team though

Can someone please explain they Hype around Lamar Miller?

His highlights done impress me. I just dont see a fit for the AFC North. Why is there so much want for this guy here? I seriously would like to know. So, I can be excited too about the possibility of him being drafted here.

hmmm.... typos this morning.
He's a very fast back with good size and elusiveness

that can take one to the house any time he touches it. Get him in the open field on a screen pass and he can do big damage potentially… do that and it limits their pass rush because they have to look for the screen, also defenses would have to respect the run a lot more than they currently do.

Personally I think we go CB and RB in round 1 (that changes if DeCastro falls to us), just because at this point we don’t have anyone who can be a sure thing for us at RB. Everyone talks about how you can find good RB talent in rd 6 7 and udfa, but the teams that take those backs are teams that already have a good guy in place for their #1 back. We don’t have that #1 guy at the moment, so I think we will pick up a guy like Miller where there is less of a chance that he won’t be able to do the job for us.

Not gonna take a guy in the 4th or 5th or later and just HOPE that he can instantly be the RB that we need. If we don’t get Miller in the first I think we will take Polk or David Wilson in the 2nd. But out of all those I’d much rather have Miller.

What about Doug Martin!

Thanks for the update on Miller. Ill have to wait for some more tape of him to come out.

Big fan

Of David Wilson… Kid can run

2nd rounder for me. He’s growing on me though.

One thing I noticed when I went to the site you suggested to me

was that Wilson wiffed some blocks in pass protection (although I still really like him; you think you have him down but somehow he’s upright again and running away from you). How is Lamar Miller in pass protection?

He understand the mental aspect. Just doesn’t do it very well. Miami has a 3rd down RB they bring in.

This is one of my fav David Wilson runs

David Wilson

Then you have this one too

Like David Wilson as well

Not as sold as everyone else on Lamar Miller, yah I agree he’s very fast (which is why I think people are falling in love with him), and has nice size. But of the games I’ve watched him play, I’ve never seen him be a dominant back. Again that’s just my opinion

I watched him in two or three games

And then watched the you tube video and he has the speed we need outta the backfield that we have been lacking and seems to be able to find holes… I would pick him third round after OL S and CB

Also, I'd disagree with Claiborne being the BPA at #2.

Kalil is one of the better LT prospects in the last decade. Claiborne is awesome, but LT is the second most valuable position on the field and Kalil is one of the better ones we’ve seen in a long time

Kalil may be the safest pick at #2...

and the first thing St. Louis needs to do is keep Bradford on the field. Which has always been an issue so far.

Very possible. Both are elite players. Could go either way at 2 & 3

claireborne higher than peterson at this time?

I think he’s a better cover corner. But Peterson is an absolute MONSTER return man!

of this years corners

Where would Peterson and prince fall? I’ve read some things saying dennard was nebraskas better cb even while prince was there.

I think Peterson & Claiborne are coin flips. Kirkpatrick next.

Dennard looked every bit better than Prince LAST Year. Dennard had a down year in 2011. I think Prince goes before Dennard. As you know, I like Gilmore. He would be slightly before Prince.

I like Kirpatrick and Jenkins over Claireborne

Kirpatrick looked like best player on field to me in BCS game.

Agreed.

It’s just my opinion, but I’m taking an elite LT over an elite CB every time.

That would be a good debate topic.

still of the opinion

that someone will try to trade into a slot before the browns (#2 or #3) to take RG3. the vikes and the rams, both could use a great tackle, while the loser of that could use a ton of draft picks to rebuild.

For Sure

It will change mocks

on the bears drafting a wr in the 1st

its been a decade, a decade, since the chicago bears had a wr with a 1000 yard season.

why not trade up

We can trade up to grab a stud dt or de. I believe our 1st 3rd this year and Oakland pick for next year a move us up. I personally wouldn’t trade up for nobody but Blackmon or Kirpatrick.

only reason to trade up

would be at the end of round 1, if miller is still on the board and we still need a rb, then it makes sense to trade next years #1 for a late 1st round pick this year

pead or james better fit in our system

I’ll take James with 2nd rd pick. Might be most gifted offensive player in draft. Over 5000 total yds 40+ tds last 2yrs. Don’t know why not top 10 pick. But he’s still of draft in 2nd rd. I don’t wanna hear bout size either, 6-7 of top 10 rbs in NFL smaller sized. We need a playmaker. Aj is a playmaker but we don’t have a player that’s comes close to him.

you’re way off. James isn’t going 2nd round. You can take him there, but that would be a bad pick.

I’d consider him round 3, but I wouldn’t feel comfortable taking him until round 4.

oh and Pead ISN’T THE ONLY RB IS THIS DRAFT!

I feel better now.

pead is the only back!

He’s like Richardson, miller, and James all in one! And our wr core next year should be binns, hazelton, gilyard!

Draft Collaros in the first round imo
and just change our name to Bearcats........why not, right? lol
maybe if we did that

We could sneak into the practice bubble and mike brown wouldn’t have to pay for it!

hahaha..........

he’s probably already tried that. Tip-toeing around there with UC garb on…………..

who did more than james?

Outside of Luck, Griffin, and Blackmon he is most dynamic offensive player in draft. Throw out size he can flat out play. You telling me u wouldn’t take sproles in 2nd rd? What linebacker can u put on James?

a lot of small running backs tear it up in college

Very few do in the NFL. And comparing him to sproles is way off.

Sproles is fast and agile. Tough. Never injured. Thickly built.

James is none of those. Including fast! James is going to run 4.45-4.55

Sproles will smoke him in EVERY category

sproles wasnt that big in college

James a get bigger with time. James is way way more explosive in COLLEGE than sproles was. James is a beast throw size out window we ain’t talking about a guy that all big fast and strong with a lot of potential, were talking about a real deal player that’s going to be there in 2nd rd. Pead would be nice also but he’s not as good of a receiver.

Why do you keep saying throw out size?

You compare people but want to throw out the major concern for the player that you like… his size is the MAJOR knock on him as a player… he weighs only 185 pounds, which leads to concerns with injury, as well as his ability to perform in the NFL. In college he hasn’t done much against good SEC defenses like he will see in the NFL. Time to stop trying to talk this guy up as more than what he is…

He doesn’t even compare to Sproles… Sproles is strong and stocky… James is 185 pounds… and no, I won’t throw out his size… that would be a stupid thing to not consider that when you are drafting a player INTO THE NFL!

sproles was 5'6 190 in college

That’s a big little dude! James is 5’8 or 5’9 and lighter. James is skinny, sproles is stocky. Sproles has power, James doesn’t.

This

Exactly my point...

People who are saying that LaMichael James is a clone of Darren Sproles just are flat out wrong…

yea mine should have been a reply to above
This seems like a very deep RB draft This seems like a very deep draft for Rbs

First off, I think we will take 2 RBs this draft unless we sign a FA, then just one.

The thing I like about James is that he makes Tate expendable. That said, there are a ton of RBs I like in this draft for a number of reasons. I like Jams and Pead for their speed. I like Herron’s ability to get tough yards, I like Grays all around ability.

I hate to be the guy to say this but...

that is a picture of Ace Sanders and not Stephon Gilmore. Also I love Gilmore and think he will definitely rise up the boards and slide into a late first round pick.

Now you need let us know who you have sloted

rounds 2-5 just for the Bengals

All in due time. But G, RB, LB, WR, DT are all in there

Thanks

And all though I really like Josh Robinson in a later round you are beginning to sell me on Gilmore early.

Robinson is interesting. I’ve seen him go as high as round 2.

Will JJoe earn a compensatory pick?
Most likely not since we signed so many free agents

if for some reason we do, likely won’t be better than a 7th rounder.

IIRC, most of the guys we signed were cut

And don’t count in the comp pick equation.

Yeah I don't know

Half the people say no, half the people say yes… Hell, I even found story from March 2011 that said the Bengals put the highest tender on Joseph and anyone wanting to sign him would have to surrender a 1st and 3rd to the Bengals to be able to do so. I’m lost on all this comp pick stuff really.

I could see us taking two DBs in the first

Let’s not forget that Marvin took Joseph and Leon in consecutive years…I could see him being crazy and taking two CBs in the first.

Ideally, I’d like to get a RB, a CB, and then a guard in the second. After that, I’d focus on DE, #2 WR (we need another outside/deep threat guy), and SS. I think they’ll end up devaluing SS, since we already have a few prospects on the roster…but I won’t complain if we get Barron, as we’ve needed help there for years.

I like your way of thinking.
Thats a good point about the guys on the roster currently

that might devalue safety for us. Otherwise I love that you are thinking Defense in this draft even though the conventional wisdom would be to go offense. The secondary needs a boost, and this could be our ticket from a good to great D

Absolutely NO WAY Brockers is selected ahead of Devin Still

Devon Still may very likely be a Top 15 pick.

Also, Cordy Glenn is no where to be found in this first round mock. Cordy Glenn will be a first round pick – guaranteed!!

Also, Konz is your #2 OG prospect AHEAD of Glenn??? That’s highly questionable!! Cordy Glenn is a four-year starter and can play 4 positions on the offensive line (both tackle positions and both guard positions).

Glenn has tremendous upper body strength and has very nimble and quick feet, and has great leverage. He uses his hands incredibly well when he is drive blocking on running plays. I would compare his body type and playing style to Carl Nicks of the Saints.

Bottom line: Cordy Glenn WILL be a first round pick and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Bengals selected him (yet, he is not even mentioned as a “potential pick” in this mock.

Like Gilmore, but #17 is a bit too high for Gilmore (who incidentally is from the exact same town as J-Joe – Rock Hill, SC.). If the Bengals are on the Board at #17 and both Jenkins and Gilmore are available, I would look into trading down a couple of spots and acquiring yet another pick in either the 2nd or 3rd round (would depend if the team trading up was really targeting someone who fell to #17 and who was of no interest to the Bengals).

ive seen glenn in the second of a lot of mocks

Know how I know you’re full of $hit? Your brief scouting report on Cordy Glenn was the furthest thing from the truth. It was highly inaccurate. You sir, can go somewhere with this garbage. Thanks for the feedback. It’s people like you that makes me enjoy spreading draft knowledge to the people who truly appreciate it.

Joe - let's bet a dinner that Glenn will be a first round pick

Joe – I appreciate all your insight, but an SEC all-American offensive lineman who was a four year starter at three positions (11:40:06 PM, LG, RG) and who projects to have the ability to play FOUR o-lineman positions in thw NFL is a highly valuable commodity – one which will likely lead him to being drafted in the first round.

Also, why the personal attacks?? Really lost a lot of respect for you in that comment. I never offered a personal attack (I.e. "You’re full of shit). Nope, I explained what I have seen on tape of Cordy Glenn!

So, if you’re such a draft guru, let’s place a friendly dinner bet on whether Cordy Glenn will be a first round pick. Simple as that.

I’ll take it a step further and say that Cordy Glenn will be in the Pro Bowl within his first two years in the league (barring injury). 350lb men do not have the footwork Glenn has (or do I not know what I’m talking about??).

Above all, what I find most appaling (and quite commical) is the fact that you don’t even list Glenn as a mere possibilty for the Bengals. Yet, you do offer Peter Konz, a collegiate center. Yes, Konz projects the ability to play guard, but that’s great – let’s draft a player and make him play a different position. Reinard Wilson in 1997 ring a bell??

Cordy Glenn will be a first round pick – but your money where your “analysis” is . . .

Wasn’t meant to be a personal attack. It was more of a “Please disregard this guy’s comments on Glenn” to everybody else.

Plus, you’re getting me all wrong. I like Glenn (at Guard). But you only take elite prospects at Guard in round 1. That’s not just my opinion. Look through draft history. If he shows up to workouts in shape and quicker than he looked in college, maybe teams think he can play RT, and he gets drafted late round 1. To be honest, I think Glenn is closer to the 3rd round than he is the 1st round. So we can bet a dinner. That’s a fun, friendly bet.

So Cordy Glenn doesn't have quick feet or good footwork??

And he’s sooooo bad he was an All-American. What’s that – that distinction doesn’t matter you say?? Well, then, what’s the relevance of Janoris Jenkins being voted second team all conference in DII.

Sorry I’m not a “self proclaimed” draft guru, as yourself, bit that’s what I’ve seen and read about Glenn. That’s OK, just issue another personal attack that I don’t know sh*t, and we’ll see after Cordy Glenn is selected on Thursday, April 26th.

"Knowledge" and "opinions" are NOT one in the same

How are you imparting “knowledge” by placing 32 names next to 32 team names, accompanied by a 1-2 sentence blurb??

I look forward to your scouting reports. There you will attempt to impart knowledge. A mock draft is imparting nothing other than your own opinion. Oh, and if your scouting report of Cordy Glenn includes anything about his footwork, then you will have zero credibility because your reply to me was that, “my analysis couldn’t be further from the truth.”, after I mentioned Glenn’s nimble feet and footwork.
That is opinion, Joe, not knowledge.

Where are you getting his scouting report from? I liked Glenn at first for us in the first round, but after further research decided against him.

Most of the scouting reports I have seen have been he is a good run blocker and projects well as a OG in the NFL in the proper scheme. His pass blocking leaves a lot to be desired because he is not that athletic and his footwork is bad. He also is susceptible to delayed pass rush and sometimes gets to upright.

Do I think he goes in the first round, yeah probably. I just hope it isn’t one of our picks.

OK I get all what you are saying but you are in this uproar

because he said he THOUGHT that Glenn would not be a first round pick, and that Konz was the 2nd best guard prospect behind DeCastro. I’ve seen TONS of mocks that have Konz being taken before Glenn, and LOTS that have Glenn in the 2nd round. Almost none have Konz in the 2nd round. I know that isn’t fact, but overwhelming majority of people basically are against you…

And how can you guarantee that Glenn will be a 1st round pick when so many draft gurus (self proclaimed or otherwise) have him in the 2nd? When you yourself admit you aren’t a draft expert…

…and stop responding over and over when he isn’t saying anything back to you. I think that might be his way of trying to keep his mock thread clean. Just take the hint…

I was high on Glenn at first

but after more research I think he is very good in run-blocking but lacks in pass protection.

Joe are you suggesting we draft a G in 2nd

I am. As I stated above, Guard in round 2 is the sweet spot this year.

Good job Joe.

I find it a little ridiculous that so many people on here are not giving you more props. I find this to be one of the better mocks I have seen with more than your out-of-the-box picks. Draft day never goes the way anyone plans it to go. Keep that in mind when you start blasting Joe.

Like the picks. This would make our secondary top rate, and would set us up good for the future teams we might find in the playoffs. I don’t think Barron will make it past Dallas. The draft is shallow on S and Barron I think will go high as their is quite a bit of drop off after him. I would however love it if we got him. I also think it is highly likely we try to get Miller with the 21st pick. I’m hoping Decastro falls to us at 17 and then Miller 21. Then in the 2nd I like Hosely or Minnifield. Not sure Minnifield will be around for us though.

I also would hate if the Patriots got Sanu. Do you think he would be a stretch at 21?

I guess you are thinking Osemele or Zeitler in the 2nd?

Also I want to pick your brain about Bruce Irvin. Being a WVU guy and all I wan to know your opinion on him. Since there is a lot of want for a good pass rusher do you think with a good combine he could go in the 1st round?

Thanks for the kind words.

I think Sanu would be a stretch at 21. Especially with the WRs who were available in this mock at 21.

I think we could see 4-5 Guards go in round 2. Osemele is my next favorite. I’ll do a guard rankings post soon. Maybe that will help open everyones idea to waiting until round two or three.

Love, love Bruce Irving and I think he would be exactly what Marvin has been looking for since Pollack. He’s raw and is relatively inexperienced due to being a JUCO player. He’s going to be one of my “options” when I do a round 2 mock.

No problem I respect how much work you put into these things. I did a mock draft and just the first round was hard enough for me not to even touch round 2.

Yeah Sanu would be a stretch and I’m probably bias being a BE fan I just saw the kid first hand dominate on a terrible Rutgers offense. I like the Floyd option pick a lot.

Yeah I still want to draft a OG in the first if the right one is there, Decastro at 17 or Konz at 21, but am fine with a 2nd 3rd rounds pick.

I just love the Irvin’s motor. I heard he is going to try and put on a few pounds before the combine. I would love to see what he could do with our front 7. He’s still very raw, but can easily be coached up. If we draft him I will love it!

Like your mock, but question about raking a RB.

Since we don’t have any RB on the roster really that we KNOW can be a solid running back for us, if we don’t pick someone up in FA do you think they wait till 3rd or 4th to take a RB? Personally if I was the one making a decision I would probably lean towards taking a RB in the first 2 round just to have more of a “guarantee” (I know there are no guarantees in the draft) than risking trying to bring in a 3rd or 4th rounder and NEEDING him to be your #1 running back. Just wanting to know your thoughts on that.

I know people say build a great line and any RB you put back there will produce, and I agree to an extent, but I also think that we need a good RB that has a chance to break one on any play. Personally I’d like to see the first three picks be Guard, RB, and CB depending on whose available at each slot, and try to get a decent safety in FA or if the coaches can coach up Mays and/or Sands and let them get a shot. I know that’s a risk as well, but how would you feel about that draft strategy and the likelihood that that is how it goes for the Bengals?

taking a RB*

Understand all of your points. And we know some of the current needs will be filled in F.A. so maybe we wont need a Guard or WR.

As for RBs, I agree 100%. Give me a dynamic, stud RB that makes a difference on any given play. I want a Lamar Miller.
Having said that, I think 6 RBs go in the first 3 rounds and all of them CAN be starters very soon.
————1st Round —————
1) Trent Richardson – Bama
2) Lamar Miller – Miami
——-————2nd Round ———
3) Chris Polk – Washington
4) David Wilson – WVU
————— 3rd Round ————
5) Doug Martin – Boise St
6) Bernard Pierce – Temple

The top 4 are automatic day one starters. TRich is the Stud. Miller & Wilson are the Home Run hitters. Polk is your Big Back. Pierce and Martin are your Pierre Thomas types.

JOE!

I give you props in a previous post but if you say that David Wilson is from WVU again I will cuss you. That scrub from Virginia Tech, lol!

Ha! You know… I’ve done that with him before. Sorry. No disrespect to the WVU guys. lol

Yeah I’ve noticed! All good letting you slide this time…

I don't know a ton about any RB past those top 4 other than

ISAIAH PEAD OMG LETS DRAFT HIM NOW OMGZ!!! no but really of the little youtube game film I saw of Martin the way he looks and moves just reminds me a lot of Ray Rice. Am I completely wrong here or does anyone else see that too?

Also, what chance do you think there is that these backs are left for our pick in each of their respective projected rounds? I would think that either Wilson or Polk will be left for our pick in the 2nd round, but probably not both. That’s just a guess, though, and after that I’m clueless. Basically I’m just slightly worried that if the Bengals didn’t pull the trigger on Lamar Miller with one of our first round picks that we might miss out on one of the four “day one starters.”

I’m thinking exactly what you are. Only one in each round should be available for the Bengals. Since they pick 21, they really don’t have their choice unless they get aggressive or take a guy early.

This is the very first mock or ranking I have seen that puts Gilmore that high so I am not following you at all on that one. However, given the the dominance of the passing game right now I would heartily agree with anyone who said there will be a big run on CB’s through rounds 1 and 2. Don’t see Gilmore going at 17, or even at 21, but somewhere in the 25-42 range is quite possible and, even, probable.

For what it’s worth I see the same effect happening with the O-line. Kalil, Reiff, Martin and DeCastro will go early and then in the 20-42 range we’ll see Glenn, Konz, Osemele, Zeitler, Adams and Sanders go. The only guy I see as being worthwhile moving up for is DeCastro and the only guy I see as being worthwhile to wait on at 17 is Richardson. I really like Glenn with the 21.

Here is the key issue: where do we get that 3rd pick in the top 42?

Barron, Gilmore and Minnifield would all be nice pick-ups with a traded down #17. But who? New England is there with a trade that looks like this (works on the value chart with a slight premium to NE):

OAK 1st / CIN 2nd / CIN 5th for NO 1st / OAK 2nd / NE 2nd

but Belichek loves his value picks (read: 2nd rounders), the 28th may be too far back, the OAK 2nd only gets us to #49 and the NE 2nd will be somewhere between #61 and #64.
That means another trade. Does MB have those skills?

I have to think that coming out of the first two rounds with:

- one of Glenn/Konz/Osemele/Sanders/Zeitler;
- Barron; and
- one of Minnifield/Gilmore

would be a winner. Picking up one of Wolfe or Trumaine Johnson with the 3rd would cap a great two days.

I feel you. That’s why I would go (in this scenario)…

1.17 – Gilmore (CB)
1.21 – Barron (S)
2.21 – Zietler (G)
3.21 – Doug Martin (RB)

Those could be 4 contributing players. Add in Rounds 4-7 and We can add a DE, LB, TE, WR & OT/G

dont know anything about martin

But love the first 3 picks.

From sporting news.

Doug Martin (5-9, 215), senior, RB, Boise State

Martin looks healthy after returning from a minor leg injury that forced him to miss a game. He continues to climb draft boards with a strong 2011 season. Quarterback Kellen Moore gets all the national attention, but Martin should be a top running back in the 2012 class.

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Martin is muscular and well built, and he plays much bigger than his height. He can run over tacklers and through grab tackles.

Here’s what is so impressive about Martin: Most backs who are violent runners lack elusiveness, the quick cutting ability to get through the holes. When we evaluated Martin, we came away believing he is a stronger and more physical version of the San Diego Chargers’ Ryan Mathews. PROJECTED: Late first round, high second round

Good power back with speed an elusiveness. I like Miller better for his explosiveness and big play ability, but Martin might be a better fit for us.

sounds good, get him and then james in back to back rounds!

Be the Benson and Scott combination but not suck.

I don't like James

I feel his game will not translate to the NFL level.

i think it would as a scat back if used right

Never a feature back, but a few carrys a game, and few designed plays for him. Now that I’m thinking about it, I would rather just use the designed plays for him on Andrew hawkins. So never mind on James unless he’s around real late.

You were reading my mind.

Reading the first sentence I said in my head “We have Hawkins for that”. Then low and behold bam. I agree with you sir. If he is around late I don’t mind picking him up if we do get someone like Martin late.

Yeah, there are only three teams that fit the trade down criteria (extra 2nd or 3rd rounder) and those are:

New England (as I mention above – get the NE trade to happen and then work a second trade to move the new pick up the board)

Chicago (get Carolina’s 3rd)
- OAK 1st / CLE 4th / CLE 3rd 2013 … for … CHI 1st / CAR 3rd

Cleveland (two solid options here but do we trade with Cleveland?)
- trade OAK 1st … for … ATL 1st / CLE 4th / ATL 4th (and then upgrade the 4ths)
- trade OAK 1st / worst of CIN or OAK 2nd 2013 … for … ATL 1st / CLE 3rd / CLE 4th (always pay a premium when using future picks)

Every other trade scenario (after those) gets REALLY messy.

That said:

1.21 – Gilmore (CB)
1.22 – Barron (S)
2.21 – Zietler (G)
3.xx – Doug Martin (RB)
3.xx – Derek Wolfe (DE/DT)

Would be okay too :-)

Really, really want that 5th body out of the first three rounds! Of course, if ever there was a year that MB needed to change his stripes in FA this would be it – going hard after Griffin (pay the extra needed), Meachum and one of Rinehart/Zuttah** would alleviate the need to score that extra pick.

  • of course I would rather have Nicks or Grubbs or even Mathis BUT Zuttah would be far cheaper and would still represent an upgrade on Livings or McGlynn.
I would take Konz and a DB

and another DB in round 2.

Watching film on Doug Martin

I seriously hate Boise State’s field

Yep, hard on the eyes!
Not drafting a SS in the first

They won’t because they are thinking they can make Taylor Mays the player we all want to see. Let’s hope so.

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