Today was the first day of Senior Bowl week where players weighed in at Mobile, Alabama and participated in their first practice. This is the initial step in the scouting process for the offseason and the Bengals have sent down their staff to get firsthand exposure to the impending draftees.
According to multiple reports, former University of Cincinnati running back Isaiah Pead had a standout day at practice. Though it's still very early, solid practices and a good showing at the game itself can greatly improve a player's stock in the next couple of months.
Pead's performance today caught the attention of the Bengals scout in attendance, as he spent a good amount of time chatting with Pead after practice was completed.
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The Bengals are definitely in the market for a running back this offseason and many fans would be ecstatic to have the hometown kid in stripes. Before this week, Pead had been slated to go anywhere in the second to fourth rounds. If he continues to have a strong showing during the Senior Bowl and the Combine, he could be a projected second round pick.
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If we take him
I wonder if we switch to a more zone blocking scheme.
brandone - January 23, 2012 via mobile
We don't have fleet footed OL.
and we still have Paul Alexander.
Cry - January 23, 2012
This is why I like Ts converted to Gs on the Oline
Ts are generally the better athletes and more talented than Gs in general. We need Gs who can pull and actually get there in time and make the block.
JUNGLEJOHN - January 24, 2012
Not always true
Guards need to be able to pull and get to the second level fast. Tackles it’s generally good foot and hand work with the ability to backpedal and sit with a good center of gravity.
Bigcatdaddy - January 24, 2012 via Android app
Nothing, or at least very few things, are always true but in general I think is is
especially in this case. We want to run a WCO, we don’t, but apparently we want to. I think you will find that in a WCO that the Gs need to be more athletic. Lets face it the LT and RT are the most important positions on the line generally speaking. College coaches place their best athletes in the Oline in the Tackle positions. So, in general terms, Ts are the best athletes. In fact a few of the best G prospects in Maylock’s top 5 list are Ts in college.
JUNGLEJOHN - January 25, 2012
Someone please aware me on the style and pro/cons of this man.
Tampa_Bengal - January 23, 2012
Quick, speed, low center style RB. Best in stretch or zone runs. Can get to the edge and stick his foot and cut upfield with explosion. His biggest weakness is his 193 lbs. Just too small to be an every down RB.
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
Any room on his frame to put on weight?
Mexal - January 23, 2012
Sure, but at what cost to his speed? upper body mostly. needs to add fat. He said he’s a 5% right now.
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
Also, any reason we don't go to a more zone blocking scheme?
Seems really successful elsewhere.
Mexal - January 23, 2012
We run a lot already. I eclectic the entire run game to be over hauled. It was exact same from Brat era. They didn’t run ball in arena league (Gruden) haha
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
We run a lot of zone blocking?
Hmm that’s interesting to me. Didn’t know that. Guess I should use my Game Rewind more often.
Cry - January 23, 2012
Yeah. Started in ‘09. That’s why Benson, Larry Johnson, Bernard Scott & Leonard all were successful.
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
why doesnt every team run zone blocking?
Texans and the old broncos have shown how to make any back successful.
JCompton41 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Every team does to some extent, but the Texans, (old) Broncos, Redskins are masters of it. They completely buy into into it because they draft certain types of RBs & OL and base their playbook around the staple ZBS type runs (stretches, pitches and cut-back / angled runs).
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
Exactly...
…a lot of it depends on having lineman that can execute it—it depends a little more on being quick footed and being able to make quick reads rather than just mauling a guy.
goffchile - January 24, 2012
Right, and the Bengals are built to maul
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
We are too some degree...
…but I think we are moving away from that. Alexander’s approach with Palmer at QB was basically to have the biggest guys you could find on OL—I saw a quote from him and it was something to the extent of—if you are going to protect a Qb, you have to do it with 5 tackles. That made sense with an immobile QB that could kill a defense with the deep ball.
Since 2009, the Bengals o-line has been in transition—Smith is still a “mauler” but I think we are moving towards a “smaller/quicker” model. We shall see.
goffchile - January 24, 2012
Thank You!
While your at it, which of the three do you think is the best option for the Bengals: Lamar Miller, Isaiah Pead, or David Wilson
Tampa_Bengal - January 23, 2012
Of those 3?
Lamar Miller. But I think Doug Martin and Chris Polk are even better fits for the Bengals.
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
They're WCO backs who can catch out of the backfield?
Don’t know much about either of them. I just don’t want a clone of Benson as I think a bruiser hurts the scheme.
I really like Miller and Wilson.
Mexal - January 23, 2012
The guys I listed can all catch and run inside & out
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
Bengals also looking at the 6'3" 245lber from CFL
who could match up nicely with pead / miller / polk…
i like polk because he had a crappy line in college and still produced.
Bengalsfan024 - January 24, 2012
Ya meant to put Polk not Pead. Doug Martin? Interesting.
Tampa_Bengal - January 23, 2012
Pead is #7 RB for the Bengals in my rankings.
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
I disagree Joe
that kid is the second coming of Walter Payton, speed, cuts, elusiveness and burst yet can catch a screen and take it the distance
joeb69 - January 23, 2012
I like him, but this RB class is DEEP. My top 8 RBs should all be drafted by mid-3rd round. That’s a lot. Pead is 193 lbs. He needs to add bulk to be anything more than a 10 carry RB. Only LaMichael James is smaller in my top 10.
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
I don't care how big he is
he’s proven he can play with the big boys at his size, alot like Chris Johnson of Tenn, every one doubted him too till he started putting up incredible numbers
joeb69 - January 23, 2012
Chris Johnson ran a 4.24! If Pead does that, he’s going late first also. I understand the local Pead love, but please understand that there are a bunch of REALLY good RBs in this draft and if I’m comparing 4 fast, quick, agile RBs with similar grades and only one is under 200 lbs and the others are 215+ guess which ones I’m (and the NFL) are ranking higher?
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
I watched the senior bowl practices today
pead was the best player on the entire field
joeb69 - January 23, 2012
Yes he was
Helmsy - January 23, 2012
Withouts pads?
Ok
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
dude
they were hitting with pads, nobody could touch him
joeb69 - January 23, 2012
Shells, not full pads.
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
it doesn't matter if they can't touch you
joeb69 - January 23, 2012
I forgot, he’s Barry Sanders. What was I thinking?!
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
thank you, lol
joeb69 - January 23, 2012
Still he really stood out
still agree with you on taking the heavier back first. 10-15 pounds can really make a difference in durability.
Helmsy - January 23, 2012
No doubt. Martin, Miller and Wilson are all just ask quick, agile & explosive but all 20-30 lbs heavier.
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
It's the senior bowl,
not the college bowl. It’s a bunch of guys who stuck it out for another year of experience, because they couldn’t go to the NFL on talent alone. If they could, they’d have gone in 2011. Very few seniors are first round talents.
Pardon_My_French - January 23, 2012
what?
s
joeb69 - January 23, 2012
Ok, I'll try again...
Just because Pead looked really good at the Senior Bowl doesn’t mean he’s the next Walter Payton (your words, not mine). He’s the best player on a field full of guys who would have left college a year earlier if they were good enough to be first-rounders on talent alone.
You say defenders can’t touch him. I’ll be interested if you still feel that way after he’s played fast, focused defenses like Baltimore, Kansas City, and Houston.
Pardon_My_French - January 23, 2012
just remember
you heard it here first
joeb69 - January 24, 2012
PEAD is a beast
Diesel2405 - January 24, 2012
So by our standards
Luck isn’t worthy of a 1st round pick?
Toasted_Orange_Monster - January 24, 2012 via mobile
** by your standards
Toasted_Orange_Monster - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Mostly all top seniors are at this game
And I’m guessing 75% of first rd picks be seniors
pray4gm11 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
from a "scout" that was at the practice:
“Cincinnati RB Isaiah Pead wasn’t bad but didn’t really stand out either. Pead runs low and showed some shiftiness but his change of direction in 11-on-11’s was just average at best and he also bobbled a pass during drills.”
definitely a very different opinion of what happened on monday in comparison to what people are saying here. i didn’t see any video for myself, so at this point there is so much conflicting opinion that i don’t know what to believe.
dqniel - January 25, 2012
Most players add bulk after the come out of draft anyways. Chris Johnson is in that weight range and he does just fine. Reggie bush and L.T I believe also was in that weight range. Most teams in the NFL use multiple backs anyways. If we did get a back like Pead, then we could keep Leonard as our bruiser and Scott for breathers. Just saying. If he is weighing that now I guarantee he put on 5 or more lbs at start of training. I still would rather have miller out of all the backs.
Bengalsredsvictim - January 23, 2012 via mobile
You just compared Pead to L.T. and Reggie Bush. Both top 5 draft picks. Then to a guy who set the combine 40 record. There’s a reason those guys went top 5, and there’s a reason CJ went as high as he did. Pead will have NONE of those same arguments.
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
Have you even watched Pead play?
Diesel2405 - January 24, 2012
Seriously?!
somebody hot this guy with a “c’mon man”
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
Hit*
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
I love Pead also
Pead to me is #2 rb coming out. Dude is flat out sick in open feild. Gruden already said his running backs don’t get 25+ carries so we only need him 15 times a game. Look what he did against top teams, u could argue pead was best player on feild in those games. Did u see Oklahoma game last year?
pray4gm11 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Come on man!!!
I like pead but from his highlights on YouTube… He’s fast can make a cut but doesn’t break past the second level very often. Good speed from handoff but after 15-25 yrds he gets taken down
Toasted_Orange_Monster - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Yeah not true
Diesel2405 - January 24, 2012
really?
JCompton41 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
I think Polk is going to turn out to be a Cedric Benson clone
No break away speed, just a work horse good for 20 carries a game and a pedestrian YPC average. We can do better. People keep saying you need a big bruising back to win in the AFC North, but I don’t get that. Ray Rice has been the best RB in the division since the day he was drafted and he’s the opposite of that. I’m a little wary of Miller just because I think he’s relied on pure athleticism at Miami and could see him being injury prone in the NFL. If Richardson is gone at 17, I think Pead might be the best fit. Of all fo them he’s probably the best receiving threat out of the backfield and he has the explosiveness we’ve been missing. He doesn’t exactly “complement” Bernard Scott, but mabe him and Peerman sharing the backfield could work well.
eric nyc - January 23, 2012
Miller doesn't have a history of injuries
Pretty hard to predict he’d have one in the NFL.
Mexal - January 23, 2012
It's the way he runs
Very upright, throws his body around. He’ll get his head taken off running like that in the NFL unless he can avoid literally every single tackle. Maybe it’s just the limited body of work, but I get a Chris Perry vibe from the guy.
eric nyc - January 23, 2012
He’s 5’10", how upright can he be? He does run a little upright at times, but not to the point where “he’s getting his head taken off”.
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
5'10" isn't exactly short for a running back
I’m not saying we should take Pead in the first round over Polk or Miller. But depending on a lot of factors, and assuming Pead has the big combine I think he’s going to have, I don’t think it’s a stretch to go defense in the first and take Pead at the bottom of the 2nd. If DeCastros’ there at 17 I definitely think you take him and a DB in the first and would love to take Pead in the 2nd.
eric nyc - January 23, 2012
But DeCastro won’t be. So how does that change your plans?
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
Best corner
then Klonz at 21
joeb69 - January 23, 2012
and pead in 2nd
joeb69 - January 23, 2012
Who starts at RB?
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
Marshawn Lynch
joeb69 - January 23, 2012
Seattle isn't getting rid of him
he likes it there and they like him.
Oregonbengalsfan - January 23, 2012
What if we offer him Skittles?
emeybee - January 23, 2012
lol
joeb69 - January 23, 2012
lol
I think Seattle already did
Oregonbengalsfan - January 23, 2012
And we know Mike Brown
wouldn’t pony up enough Skittles to star a bidding war.
Oregonbengalsfan - January 23, 2012
but
we’re playing wishful scenarios
joeb69 - January 23, 2012
Leonard
Bengalsfan024 - January 24, 2012
yes we need a home run C
who can play gruad as a rookie or move cook to LG
Bengalsfan024 - January 24, 2012
That is Konz he might be gone at 21
He’s a G playing C just like Mike Pouncey Bears Titans will have interest
messjunk - January 24, 2012
I like Cook at Center. 2nd best OL guy we have IMO.
JUNGLEJOHN - January 24, 2012
+1
he is consistant, that is for sure
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
I was going to say smart and mean - but consistant works
He is consistantly smart and mean. This guys snarles when he laughs.
JUNGLEJOHN - January 25, 2012
Well there are a lot of variables...
If Kirkpatrick falls to 17 then you take him, same with Barron possibly. And then Polk and Miller could both be gone by 21. I don’t think there’s another RB I’d take in the first round, so we’re already looking at the bottom of the 2nd…where Martin is probably also gone. Pead might be the best back left on the board by the end of the 2nd.
eric nyc - January 23, 2012
See, you’re making a good point.
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
but as I see it
we have 3 needs, G, CB and RB, we did alright without the running game this year, so any upgrade would help, you have to protect Dalton and who ever is running and you have to be good on D, just my opinion.
joeb69 - January 23, 2012
He plans to have shoulder surgery
after the draft. Granted that isn’t much of an injury history, but just pointing it out.
Oregonbengalsfan - January 23, 2012
Nope
Polk has some of the best hands, caught more balls than any of the top RBs in draft. I see him as an Matt Forte type.
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
He doesn't have Forte's speed
Not that Forte is the fastest back in the world, but I think Polk might actually lose a footrace to Benson right now. He could change my mind with a god 40 time at the combine.
eric nyc - January 23, 2012
I’ll just respectfully disagree.
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
Forte ran 4.59 at his Pro Day
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
He plays faster than that
eric nyc - January 23, 2012
So does Polk
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
I think people confuse speed and quickness.
Forte is more of a shifty runner than a speedy back. Quickness helps you elude defenders. Speed makes you run by them.
EPK1979 - January 23, 2012
Exactly. That’s why I say Polk is more than fast enough. Even if he runs a 4.55
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
I agree with you.
If he displays great quickness, he won’t have to run 4.3-4.4
EPK1979 - January 23, 2012
Forte was a MONSTER in the 3 cone and shuttle at the combine.
If Polk can imitate his numbers, I’ll be on board for sure.
Cry - January 24, 2012
True, and Forte tore up the Senior Bowl
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
Kinda like Pead is doing now
Diesel2405 - January 24, 2012
+1
I agree, Doug Martin and Chris Polk much better fit
biggie22 - January 23, 2012
We Better Draft Pead
Touhue Cha - January 23, 2012
Sure, in the 3rd round pick 21.
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
YAY i mean i love the kid, hes great
Touhue Cha - January 23, 2012
That's fine with me.
Rotate him with Bernard Scott (they’re both too small to carry 250+ times in a season), and then throw Leonard in on 3rd downs like we do.
Pardon_My_French - January 23, 2012
We have a scout...Whoa
Lol
Helmsy - January 23, 2012
i saw that too
no s at the end of scout in the article
joeb69 - January 23, 2012
HAHAHAHA
That is FUNNY!!!!!!!!
EPK1979 - January 23, 2012
Let's not get ahead of ourselves now Joe
One scout is amazing for me right now. Haha
Helmsy - January 23, 2012
We are doomed!!!!!!
If our only SCOUT was talking to Pead all day. LOL
EPK1979 - January 23, 2012
I think Pead could be a good fit
But I wouldn’t reach for him. I also wouldn’t be satisfied with Pead,Leonard and Scott as our backfield next year either. Pead will be a good change of pace back but not a starter in this league.
EPK1979 - January 23, 2012
"Change of Pace" is a synonym for "fresh legs"
I think that backfield would do fine, even though I’m
worriedaware that folks on this blog are getting carried away with the local kid. As long as none of those guys take too many hits, they’ll be fine.Pardon_My_French - January 23, 2012
I don't see any reason to not get carried aware with a really good RB
Diesel2405 - January 24, 2012
MY running back order would be
Trent Richardson
Doug Martin
Isaih Pead
David Wilson
Chris Polk
Lamar Miller
biggie22 - January 23, 2012
Why Pead over Wilson, Polk & Miller?
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
I'm know in the minority
But I have never really been sold on Miller. I know he’s very fast and has good size but I do not think he runs between the tacles very well at all. As for Wilson and Polk, I actually think they are all pretty close but honestly I think Pead has the best chance to transition to the NFL out of the three
biggie22 - January 23, 2012
And actually there's no real reason for it
Other than I might be just a little more familiar with him
biggie22 - January 23, 2012
The key to running between the tackles is
Hitting the hole hard before it closes up. Miller probably has the best first step burst out of any back in the draft. Also he has a good frame to where he can break arm tackles when running between the tackles.
EPK1979 - January 23, 2012
Like I said I realize I'm in the minority
But everytime I seem to watch him play he does not really do that, mostly he just tries to bounce it outside. Honestly, I have not watched every game the Canes have played but I’ve seen a few and I’m just not really sold on the guy and again I know I’m in the minority on this topic
biggie22 - January 23, 2012
No your not in minority we'll have to use a 1st to get him
No RB in first round other than Richardson
messjunk - January 24, 2012
Not disagreeing, just curious.
Joe Goodberry - January 23, 2012 via Android app
Lamar miller last? I just don’t understand that. Hopefully you’re not a scout for the bengals. Lol, jk.
Bengalsredsvictim - January 23, 2012 via mobile
LOL
I’ve already stated, I know I’m in the minority on this one:)
biggie22 - January 23, 2012
Your not the minority I agree with you
Diesel2405 - January 24, 2012
Lamar Miller
Everything that I have heard, the surgery he will have done on his shoulder is minor. It’s also the only known injury he has had. Let it drop him to the Bengals in the second round, then he will be the steal of the draft.
EPK1979 - January 23, 2012
I could live with that
but he won’t drop that far
joeb69 - January 23, 2012
What makes it more impressive is
He played with his shoulder like it is since September. It shows great toughness if you ask me.
EPK1979 - January 23, 2012
I like everything I've heard about Miller
I’d be very happy if we ended up with him, particularly since it would mean we used at least one, probably both of our 1st rounders on other needs and still ended up with a quality RB. Much like last year.
emeybee - January 23, 2012
I hate when Cincinnati/Ohio State players come up in the draft...
I don’t follow the college game, so I look here for people who know more than me to give me an idea of which guys are good and should be targeted. But when it’s a local guy I can tell it’s all a big load of homerism. Same thing happened with Gilyard. Meh.
emeybee - January 23, 2012
People wanted Barwin over Rey.
That’s a rare case of the homerism being right. I think we’d all take Barwin now.
KSE - January 23, 2012
I'm not saying no Cincy/OSU players will ever be good
I’m just saying people around here have great difficulty being objective when their names come up. Pike was going to come in and replace Carson for crying out loud.
emeybee - January 23, 2012
I agree, but
I’m not a huge Cincy Bearcat fan, I am however a big Pead fan
joeb69 - January 23, 2012
Pead is really good.
Shifty, quick, agile , fast. He can line up as a receiver and catch passes. Very good blocker in the backfield. Has the ability to break multiple tackles and is screen genius.
Diesel2405 - January 24, 2012
Gilyard
Gilyard has a sh***y work ethic. Dude is high all the time. He has a picture of his bloodshot eyes as one of the profile pics on his facebook page. He would have been a great slot receiver/return guy in the NFL if he could have gotten his head out of the clouds. What a shame. Kind of reminds me of a certain Bengals receiver with a ton of raw talent who has been inconsistent at best.
Bearcat_Fan - January 24, 2012
I like Pead a lot but I still really like Doug Martin in the 2nd if he's available
Here’s an article I found in a men’s health magazine about the top ten strongest players going into the 2011 season. Trent Richardson was #3 and Doug Martin was #7 and it was all players not just RB’s.
7) Doug Martin
RB, Boise State Broncos
5’9, 201 lbs.
Senior
They say big things come in small packages. Doug Martin is a prime example of that. The 5’9 Martin, known by his teammates as the "Muscle Hamster", possesses the most impressive stats in the Boise State program with a 530-pound squat, 405-pound bench press, a 374-pound hang clean, and a 40 yard dash of 4.42 seconds. He also vertical jumps 37 inches and did 28 reps on the 225-pound bench press. With Kellen Moore getting all the attention this year, Martin should certainly not be overlooked, looking to improve on his previous all-star season of 1,260 yards and 12 TDs.
biggie22 - January 23, 2012
I completely agree
but, I don’t think he falls to us in the 2nd, Pead will be there, if we fill our G and CB needs in the first which is what I’m hoping, we can help our RB situation in the 2nd, but, if Martin is there yes
joeb69 - January 23, 2012
I've noticed from other comments
We are definitely on the same page with this scenerio Guard, CB, RB
biggie22 - January 23, 2012
of course
if we fill one or two of those needs before the draft all bets are off, lol
joeb69 - January 23, 2012
All of course
biggie22 - January 23, 2012
I think Martin has a lot of potential
It would be interesting to see what his 40 actually will be. People compare him to Rudi Johnson and Mark Ingram but I think he looks a lot faster than them.
EPK1979 - January 23, 2012
I've seen it listed as low as 4.3
but mostly in 4.4 range
biggie22 - January 23, 2012
Martin is a beast
I remember watching him this season thinking, “That’s not your typical Boise St scatback.”
With that said, Lamar Miller is something else. He’s got those big legs and can cut on a dime. When he makes that cut, he can go from 0-60 in BOOM fashion.
I like Pead. He’ll turn your avg ten yard gain into a fifty yard TD run if you don’t get bodies around him. Even then, you better grab something. Very explosive. But I’m with Joe on this one. I don’t see him in the same mold as a CJ or an LT. I watched both of those guys play in college and I don’t think Pead has what they have/had. I think Pead is more out of the Jahvid Best category.
whodeycommish14 - January 23, 2012 via mobile
I'd like to get DeCastro at 17 and Gilmore at 21
But I doubt either falls that far. Who knows? We’ve seen crazier shit in this league.
whodeycommish14 - January 23, 2012 via mobile
would love this scenario
doubt it happens, but I’d love it
joeb69 - January 23, 2012
I think Gilmore will be there but
unfortunately DeCastro won’t be !!!! I’m starting to think DeCastro will make it into the top 6 and thats unheard of for a guard. Safest pick in the draft in my mind.
EPK1979 - January 23, 2012
I completely agree....
I said that to a buddy of mine today. I said, “I’m beginning to think DeCastro will go in the top ten somewhere.” His mouth dropped. To be honest, I think he could be a Pro Bowler next season right from the get go.
whodeycommish14 - January 23, 2012 via mobile
What about the Guard out of Iowa St?
Osemele or whatever his name is. if we can’t get a good Guard, I’d love to try and go after Grubbs. Oh well…. Whatever until then haha
whodeycommish14 - January 23, 2012 via mobile
There are 4-5 guards worthy of a round 2 pick, Osemele is one if them.
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
i like pead
hes a great rb who ran out of shotgun and spread offense. depending on combine id love to take him second round or latter for a steal. I say we draft a cb then a guard then rb which would be where some have predicted him to fall.
Also if he does fall to the fourth any thought on bengals getting a rb like lemar miller or maybe someone who is a bruiser and then in fourth get him. i would say he is an asset in passing game blocks a lot and catches out the backfield plus if you can catch balls from collaras you have great hands or you are a cb playing against him.
bengalsfanforlife - January 24, 2012
Whatever we draft..
RB should be reserved until the 2nd unless Trent falls to us at 17 and DeCastro is still on the board.
Cry - January 24, 2012
decastro still on the board?
or not still on the board?
dqniel - January 24, 2012
Hm?
if both DeCastro and TRich are on the board you take TRich, as DeCastro would likely make it to 21 if he’s there at 17. Although I suppose the same be said for TRich, and teams would be less likely to trade up for him.
Cry - January 24, 2012
i guess it just depends on the needs for the teams drafting 18-20
i think if they’re both there at 17 we take decastro. a good o-line with a good running back is better than a bad o-line with a great running back, i think.
dqniel - January 24, 2012
But is that a spelling error? Do we really ONLY have one scout?!
I have heard people say it in the passed by i thought they were just busting balls
njbengalstat - January 24, 2012
Lord....
Let’s hope so….
whodeycommish14 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
As in "let's hope that's a spelling error"
Hope it’s meant to be plural lol.
whodeycommish14 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Running Back No. 1 ???
Unless there is a Peterson, Forte, McFadden, Rice, etc.. in the first round the Bengals should spend their picks on CB, S, DE, OG, FB, etc., besides how many of those RBs made the playoffs. As always free agents may help in some areas. We need a faster Brian Leonard in Gruden’s system.
Backyard Bengal - January 24, 2012
In that order?
I wouldn’t even think about taking a Safety before a RB.
whodeycommish14 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Right now atleast
whodeycommish14 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Fullback?
Was that a typo?
eric nyc - January 24, 2012
That's what I was thinking
FB in the first? I can’t say I remember a fullback going in the 1st in my life time.
Bigcatdaddy - January 24, 2012 via Android app
I like drafting Pead for the sake of needs
Drafting Pead in 3-4 rd area fits perfect. I would want us to go DeCastro & the best CB available in the first. Since DeCastro may go top 10 , my backup plan would be S w/ Barron & BA CB. We can grab a guard in the 2nd being that DeCastro may be the only 1 drafted in the 1st rd. In Free agency the Bengals could sign a veteran RB just in case cough Michael Bush cough
ak513 - January 24, 2012 via iPhone app
Don't stretch for local talent.
Pead had a great first day at the senior bowl. If he keeps it up awesome, but don’t neglect the amount of talent elsewhere.
Deep draft for a lot of our needs, and luckily we got 4 picks in the first 3 rounds. Need to make them count and not overvalue a player just because he his local.
Don’t get me wrong I love Pead and watching him in the Big East. I think he was awesome for UC and showed a lot of heart and fire, but there are others backs I’m going to pick before him if they are on the table.
This is the AFCN. Hard to have a light weight as your RB.
TCfromDubVee - January 24, 2012
Not so sure you have to be 6-2, 230 to tote the rock either in the AFCN
(See Rey Rice)
whodeycommish14 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Ray*
whodeycommish14 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
That's what I keep saying.
You keep hearing people say you need a big back in the AFCN, but there really hasn’t been one since Jerome Bettis. Ray Rice has been the best back in the division for the last 4 years and he’s basically a MJD type back. The fact of the matter is, you just have to be able to run the ball SOMEHOW in this division. Matt Forte would be great, MJD would be great. Pick up a guy who can add a dynamic element to your running game in some way.
eric nyc - January 24, 2012
I never said you needed the second coming of Bettis, but
I want a guy who ways more than 200lbs.
Plus Ray Rice and MJD can squat a cow, can Pead do that?
TCfromDubVee - January 24, 2012
Lamar Miller...and faster than Pead
215…jus sayin
ticalcaldwell - January 24, 2012
Doug Martin
Similar to Pead but instead, Martin is 5’9" 223 lbs. THAT’S Ray Rice size.
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
That's why Lamar Miller is goign to be drafted in the middle of the first round
And Pead will be drafted in the 2nd.
eric nyc - January 24, 2012
Pead is 200 lbs
And he’s never been in an NFL strength program before. He’s going to put on 10 pounds minimum in his first training camp. Ray Rice didn’t have that much bulk when he was at Rutgers.
eric nyc - January 24, 2012
Hey I am with you guys on Pead
I would love to have him, miller or Wilson…We need to get over Richarson…we dont have a chance in hell to get this guy…will be gone in top 10 for sure
ticalcaldwell - January 24, 2012
Pead is 193. Rice had major lower body bulk. He’s added to upper body since NFL. He’s 220 now
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/377970/isaiah-pead
Splitting hairs, really. I still think he’ll put on 10-15 pounds before opening day wherever he goes.
eric nyc - January 24, 2012
10-15 by opening day?
Players lose 10 lbs (especially rookies) in training camp!
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
Citations, please
Maybe some fat out of shape lineman, but not running backs going into their first NFL weight training regiment. Sorry, I don’t think that is even a remotely accurate statement.
eric nyc - January 24, 2012
Citations? Every player loses weight through the year. It’s common knowledge. I’ll see if I can look something up.
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
I meant he'll go into openign day with 10 more pounds than he has on him right now.
So maybe he’ll lose some mass in the “offseason” (not that there’s a real offseason for draftees anymore) but then once OTA’s start and they get him in the weight room at PBS, he’ll be playing at comfortably above 200 pounds by the end of August.
eric nyc - January 24, 2012
Oh I’m sure. He has to eventually be over 200 lbs or he won’t stand a chance. He said yesterday that his goal is to add body fat.
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
Did I say anything about 6'2", 230?
You mention Ray Rice at 5’8", 212. Pead is 5’11", 193. That is almost a 20lb difference.
I’m not saying do not draft Pead. I’m saying there are better backs out there to pick before him if they are available.
TCfromDubVee - January 24, 2012
I was making a general statement about size bud.
Which was your comment, right? You’re comment was based off of having a bigger back in the AFCN. I was only pointing out that Ray Rice is NOT a big back. Most of his weight is in his lower body. Pead will be at 205 by the time training camp rolls around. Hell he might be 205 by the time the combine rolls around. My point is that size shouldn’t really be that big of a factor this early on in the process.
whodeycommish14 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
This size argument doesn't hold water
According to cincyjungle’s draft profile of Pead he is 5’11" / 200lbs. Too small? Guess who was 5’10 / 200lbs…. Walter Payton. This kid is special and has a ton of untapped potential. Ever heard of Archie Griffin? Guess who smashed Archie’s high school records…
I don’t know where this size argument even comes from. Check out this article.
http://www.sports-central.org/sports/2011/03/15/does_size_matter_for_running_backs.php
Seems that the smaller backs tend to be better backs. I think maybe durability may be where this is coming from, but Pead made great strides this year and was an every down back. Every keeps talking about TR, but look at the people around him. I’m always nervous about drafting these big names from big schools because it is hard to tell how well they will handle adversity.
Bearcat_Fan - January 24, 2012
Mostly I agree with you, but with this part you can make the opposite argument that with a guy from a lesser conference you haven’t seen them go against top opposition either.
eric nyc - January 24, 2012
I absolutely agree. There’s a huge amount of guesswork with any of these guys. From what I’ve read at the beginning of the season the coaches at UC took Pead aside and told him they needed him to be a complete back and to do that he had to put on some weight. He hit the weight room immediately and made a huge impact. I read one scouting report that says he plays with a chip on his shoulder. I like that kind of player. Not attitude, but a chip.
Bearcat_Fan - January 24, 2012
I love Pead
I thought his performance in the Liberty Bowl alone pushed him up into the high 3rd round, low 2nd round area and I fully expect him to have a big Senior Bowl and combine that I think will make him a lock for a 2nd round pick. If he’s there for us with the 2st pick in the 2nd I dont’ think it would be a reach at all to get him. And if Gruden decides he’s the right fit for this offense, I wouldn’t be opposed to trading a few of our later round picks to move up a bit in the 2nd and make sure we get him. Basically, I’ll take Gruden’s judgement on this whole issue. I wasn’t sure Dalton was the right guy last year and Gruden proved me wrong. I am assuming that he’ll get his pick of RB’s this year, either in FA or the draft. Draft seems more his style and I’m sure he’ll pick a favorite from these guys. If it’s Richardson and he’s REALLY in love with him, I still wouldn’t rule out us trading up in the first.
eric nyc - January 24, 2012
Agree
In Gruden we trust. It just seems like Benson is a mindless back who just tries to grunt his way up the field. If it was Marvin’s style of offense then a bigger back would be best, but a more shifty back who can catch passes is better for Grudens WCO.
Bearcat_Fan - January 24, 2012
He's 193 lbs!
He hit the weight room?! Is he maxed-out?
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
Seriously dude have you ever seen Pead play?
your only argument against Pead is that he weighs 193
Diesel2405 - January 24, 2012
No it’s not. That’s my argument against “He’s big enough” or “Ray Rice” or any other small RB. He’s not that. I like Pead. Just not as much as the homers obviously.
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
No point in wasting a first rounder on Miller when you can get Pead in the Second
The first 2 picks should be OG, and CB. Anything else is worthless. We cannot have another season with Nate Livings at gaurd
Diesel2405 - January 24, 2012
You may get Pead in the 3rd. Possibly 4th.
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
Pead for me in 3rd
messjunk - January 24, 2012
how many 340 pound dline man were around when payton was?
Or linebackers who are 260 running 4.4s?
JCompton41 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
None
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
Just say no...
…to Trent Richardson. Don’t believe the hype!
75North - January 24, 2012
Then do the same with these CB
messjunk - January 24, 2012
RB debate
Pead isn’t a bad choice. I really think Martin is a hidden gem like Pead (POSSIBLY) could be himself. Martin just has the build that is good for 3 downs, a lower body like MJD and Ray Rice. Martin is a bad ass bowling ball. Most RB in this build do really well. Martin also receives, kick returns well, and DOESNT FUMBLE. Pead has had some fumble issue’s.
My wish for RB would be Martin, Pead, and Leonard. Grabbing Martin and Pead is very possible. As a matter of fact I think rd 1 G/CB 2 TE 3 Martin 4 Pead rest defense. Fix defense with FA and next years draft.
GetMused - January 24, 2012
Tight End?
I think we’ll bring back Lee for another year or two, and even if we didn’t we still have Cochart and Coffman. Why on earth would we draft a TE in the 2nd round with all the other needs we have?
eric nyc - January 24, 2012
I personally would love to take a TE
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
We can't figure out how to use the one great tight end we already have
What makes you think having another one would make a difference? Give me a real running back and plug up the secondary and next year we can talk about adding an Aaron Hernandez.
eric nyc - January 24, 2012
I never said take on over a RB, but I would think about taking one earlier than some have mentioned.
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
Really?
What’s your rationale for that? (I’m not trying to be snide, I really am curious). And how high would you draft one? I like Cochart and Gresham. Plus Chase “Special Learner” Coffman is still in the wings.
Animal_Like_Football - January 24, 2012
because I watch the Patriots destroy teams with 2 TEs. Even the Ravens have given teams problems. The Cowboys tried it with Witten & Marty B. 49ers do it with Vernon and D.Walker.
I like Cochart, but who knows what he offers long term? Can’t count on Chase. And you have to like Gresham as the “move” TE or “joker” TE where you can take advantage of the mismatches. That would lead me to want another TE to compliment & free Gresham up.
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
Jake Stoneburner 2013?
messjunk - January 24, 2012
I like him actually. TEs are getting deep and diverse with every passing Draft. They are the Biggest mismatch and most flexible chess piece in NFL offenses today.
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
He would compliment Gresham
messjunk - January 24, 2012
How about the tight ends on stanford?
DTFCPDX - January 24, 2012
I think the biggest reason you saw the Patriots work Gronkowski and Hernadez so much
Was that they didn’t have any real receiver threats on the outside. It was basically those two guys, Welker in the slot, and Chad who had all of one TD this year. When they had Moss they weren’t leaning on TE’s like they did this year. Belichick will get an outside threat or two and I think you’ll see Hernandez’s role scaled back a bit next year. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to have two great TE’s, but it seems like a REAL luxury. If you have elite receiver threats you dont’ really need more than one good TE.
eric nyc - January 24, 2012
Even when they had Moss last year, they started shifting the offense towards their TEs. I realize Moss was almost done, but you could also daily its a lot to design your offense around 2 rookie TEs.
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
Why not Lee as second TE?
He looks to have another 1-2 years in the tank from the way he played this year.
steve henderson - January 24, 2012
Bennett, free agent from the Cowboys would be a solid FA signing.
like greshams clone
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
Marty B a really good blocker. would be good fit
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
I'm a little hesistant to copy anything the Patriots do.
It’s obviously been successful, but I wonder how much of that is based on the genius of the system and how much of it is based on Tom Brady being a freak of nature (not to mention Gronk who is also a freak of nature). So I’m not convinced that they system is all that copy-able – which is why we haven’t seen other teams have the same kind of success (none of the teams you mentioned are elite offenses outside of the Pats).
Animal_Like_Football - January 24, 2012
+1
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
I could see us taking a TE late...
…Gresham is obviously “the guy” but I really liked what I saw in Cochart. I doubt Scaife will be back and Lee, I would like to see back, but you never know. After that, we have no one in the wings, as I’m pretty sure the only football Coffman will be playing will be of the Madden variety.
We could definetely use some depth/future potential at the position.
goffchile - January 24, 2012
TE?
We sign Bennet from the Cowboys in FA and be set for the next 3 years. Bennet is Greshams clone lol. (im not too sure on how you spell his name, but the TE we tried to trade for in Dallas would be a good fit on the bengals.)
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
There are a lot of scenarios...
…but I’m increasingly falling in line with the notion that we should go Interior O-line and CB in the first round—the logic being we need guys at those positions that can compete for a starting job right out of the blocks.
I’m not on the Richardson bandwagon and feel that it is very likely he will tumble come draft day, and believe strongly we should resist the urge unless he is clearly the BPA. I like Lamar Miller but am wondering if he is worth a round 1 selection as well.
Best case scenario, the Bengals are able to get an RB with some upside in round 2-3 and sign a free agent. I have a feeling that there isn’t going to be a shortage of servicable RBs floating around out there that we can use to fill the gap. Obviously, this might leave either Peerman/Pressley/Scott as the odd man out (I think Leonard stays regardless), but we need to remake our RB corps and this is as good as time as any. And we definitely need a speedster with pass catching ability to complement Green and Gresham.
goffchile - January 24, 2012
I keep seeing people say they're not on the Richardson bandwagon...
But I’ve yet to see anyone say WHY. I’m not accusing YOU of this, but it seems like a lot of people just want to go against the prevailing sentiment just because. I dont’ see a single flaw in Richardson’s game. He’s no lower than 5th on any draft board you will see anywhere. So if he’s there at 17, there won’t be any question whatsoever that he’s the BPA. I’m more in line with the idea that Miller might be a reach in the first round. I just don’t think he’s done enough at the college level to prove he’s worth that high of a pick. If he stayed at Miami another year he could turn himself into a top 5 pick next year.
eric nyc - January 24, 2012
This is why...
…he is more of a conventional between the tackles back—I don’t believe that is what we need as a team and I think a lot of teams might pass on such a guy. If you look at the last several first round picks that have been RBs, many have struggled at the pro-level, had injuries, etc (Best, Ingram, Spiller for example). In other words, they really weren’t worthy of their first round picks. As more teams move to RBBC, this makes teams a little more circumspect about who they pick in the first round.
Additionally, he doesn’t have overwhelming speed. If he doesn’t put up big numbers at the combine, I have a feeling a lot of teams might say “pass” simply because they see him as one dimensional back.
Finally, given the Bengals offensive scheme, I don’t think he “fits”—basically I see him as a younger version of Cedric Benson.
goffchile - January 24, 2012
I'll buy the between the tackles part
But he separates himself from Benson by having better top end speed and by being a MUCH (I wish I could make those capital letters bigger) better receiver out of the backfield. Him and Polk are maybe the only two backs in the draft who are going to be able to give you 20-25 carries a game and an additional 3-5 receptions. And Richardson is obviously the quicker and faster of the two. He’s a perfect fit for this system. he gives Marvin the power north-south back he wants and gives Gruden the shifty receiving threat out of the backfield he wants.
eric nyc - January 24, 2012
+1
I don’t see anything one dimensional about Richardson and I think he fits our scheme right now perfect. Now like Joe said earlier our running scheme looked as if it was just left over from Brat but who knows what it’ll look like next season. They know exactly what type RB we they need and we’ll find out at the draft. Personally I like Polk but I’ll be fine with whom ever they pick.
Bigcatdaddy - January 24, 2012 via Android app
+1
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
A couple links on the Pro/Con TR debate.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1019525-2012-nfl-draft-order-why-trent-richardson-should-not-be-a-top-15-pick
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1018552-trent-richardson-decreased-value-of-rbs-wont-hurt-alabama-stars-draft-stock
goffchile - January 24, 2012
Mark my words
Pead will be drafted in the 2nd, hopefully by the begals. And depending on how he does at the Combine he could go late first… Execellent fit with the pats :-/
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
how cute
Pead is spouting off like he’s from a big boy college football conference, and not the Big Least :-)
ephram - January 24, 2012
Com'on man
not everybody can play in the SEC. Big East is second teir at best, but there are plenty of studs that come out of the Big East.
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
i agree great players can come from anywhere
I just found Pead’s comments nonsensical.
Spirited, yes. Proud of his team, yes.
But to think UC could take down Ohio State (who Pead is attacking) now coached by Meyer, and his insane 2012 recruiting class, just seems like nonsense.
But one can’t blame the kid for being behind his team.
It’s not as nonsensical as somebody from Louisiana Tech claiming to be the best team in Louisiana…but not too far off :-)
ephram - January 24, 2012
I think the key word is "now".
And I like a back with confidence. I don’t think its that nonsensical, because he probably didn’t bring it up him self. He was probably asked a question by the reporter and he responded with confidence.
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
in 2011 i think it would have been a close game
If they played in Cincy, and if was early in the season before Braxton Miller was QB, I think it would be 50/50 that UC could have won. But at the end of the season I think OSU got better – espeically with their new coach. But it’s a moot point…
ephram - January 24, 2012
Like Connor Barwin!
gratefulmax - January 25, 2012
Ohio State is garbage
Diesel2405 - January 24, 2012
You shut your dirty tramp mouth.
Cry - January 24, 2012
LOL!
TCfromDubVee - January 24, 2012
That caption is 2 years old.
steve henderson - January 24, 2012
Pead is this year's Mardy Gilyard
The annual local UC kid that 1/2 of the Cincy Jungle people want the Bengals to draft because they follow the kid as Bearcats fans. That’s cool…everybody likes the people who they follow, but I just don’t want homerism to taint opinions of him.
I recall a lot of grumbling when the Bengals didn’t draft Gilyard in the 2nd, or even 3rd rounds of the 2010 NFL draft (instead going with Dunlap & Shipley). Gilyard ultimately got drafted in the 4th round by St Louis and then got cut – despite St Louis having no good WR’s on their roster. Gilyard has bounced around but can’t make a roster.
ephram - January 24, 2012
I will have to respectively disagree with you on this one.
I think people fell in love with Gilyard’s attitude and how he embraced the city. And I think that is why he was so hyped.
But in Peads case, He reminds me a lot of what Chris Perry was in college. I think we take a chance on him in the 2nd round if he falls to us. That way we can adress the DB/ OL situation in the first.
I can see the Pats taking pead in the late first, depending on how good he does at the combine. He would fit perfectly in their system
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
i'm not saying the kid is bad...
I’m just saying it seems each year, the UC fans on this site tend to latch onto a UC kid (like Gilyard) and clamor that he should get drafted by the Bengals.
The Gilyard is that he was a guy in a position we needed, and a lot of local fans wanted…but we didn’t take him and it worked out well.
Fans are always going to overvalue their own players.
*Ohio State fans are going to think Boom Herron should get drafted higher than he goes
*Bama fans are going to think Trent should be a top 5 pick
*Even in fantasy football it’s almost impossible to trade because people always overvalue their own
ephram - January 24, 2012
i get what your saying about being a homer
but in this case, I think their right about pead. I was skepical of him at first but Pead has the makings to be a very productive back in the NFL. Not just with his legs, but with his hands too.
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
Your opinion on Pead is off base and way uninformed
Diesel2405 - January 24, 2012
Huh? Which part is off base?
I said he’s local – Columbus is local
I said he’s a UC kid – he went to UC
I said 1/2 of the Cincy Jungle people want the Bengals to draft him – that’s about right give or take a few
I said I just don’t want homerism to taint opinions of him – that doesn’t mean he sucks, but UC fans are going to overinflate his value, just like a USC fan will overinflate a USC kid.
So maybe he’s a 2nd round talent, UC fans will think he belongs in the 1st round.
Maybe he’s a 5th round talent, UC fans will think he should get drafted in the 3rd or 4th.
I don’t see what part of that is uninformed or off base.
You will need to specify, and not just troll without any specifics.
ephram - January 24, 2012
its too early to tell if he lands in the first round or not
But there is a chance, if he is a little faster than what most people think, a team may jump up and grab him at the end of the first
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
It's not too early
He will not be a 1st round pick.
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
+1
Theirs only one (maybe two) RB’s that make the first round. With the RB position is just not as valued in the draft as it once was. Pead is a special kid but 3rd round special. For me all the post season games, combines, and workouts are great for seeing a players talent as far as how they might fit in different schemes and situations. It may move their draft stock up or down but their body of work during the season is the real tell on where a player will be drafted. Pead isn’t going from the 3rd or 4th to the 1st.
Bigcatdaddy - January 24, 2012 via Android app
IDK
I just have a suspicious feeling about his stock going up after the combine. I know it would be a long shot for him to get drafted in the first. But if Pead is faster than what most scouts think he is, I can see his stock going way up.
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
I think he's helping himself everyday
If he lays down a blazing 40 time combined with impressing scouts at the bowl he can definitely move up. At best low to mid second to high third. I hope he does well.
Bigcatdaddy - January 24, 2012 via Android app
AFCN Backs
I think we need to worry less about if the running back is an “AFC North” running back and focus on a running back that fits our offense. Cedric Benson was an AFCN RB and look how he did in the WCO. Get a player who fits the offense.
ak513 - January 24, 2012 via iPhone app
Bingo.
steve henderson - January 24, 2012
Pead is going to be 1st rd pick
He’s the best player on feild everytime I watch him. He’s proved he don’t need great line to produce. We need players that fit our system who have produced, not getting high grades on size and potential. Pead will be the best back in our division if we take him. If he was coming out of Ohio State he would be a top 10 pick.
pray4gm11 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
+1
not too sure that he would be better than rice or mendenhall right way. But Pead has potential for sure!
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
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