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5 months ago: LAS VEGAS, NV - DECEMBER 22: Doug Martin #22 of the Boise State Broncos runs for yardage ahaead of Keelan Johnson #10 of the Arizona State Sun Devils during the MAACO Bowl Las Vegas at Sam Boyd Stadium December 22, 2011 in Las Vegas, Nevada. Boise State won 56-24. (Photo by Ethan Miller/Getty Images)
As you know, the 2012 Senior Bowl, a college football all-star game in which top-tier players from northern schools play against NFL prospects from southern schools. According to Eric Galco, the Director of Scouting for OptimumScouting.com, the Bengals seem interested in Boise State running back Doug Martin as a scout from the team has been talking to him separate from the rest of the players and scouts.
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The Bengals are definitely in the market for a new running back and this Ray-Rice like back could fit the bill. In the last three seasons, Martin, who stands at 5-foot-9 and weighs 223 pounds, carried the ball 593 times for 3,324 yards and 43 touchdowns. Right now ESPN Insider ranks Martin as the eighth best running back in this draft class.
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Martin could end up being my #2 RB overall. Would be a great fit for Bengals.
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
RE:
Agree, Joe. The more I hear about this kid, the more I like. He’s build like a brick-you-know-what-house.
Anthony Cosenza - January 24, 2012
Plus being shifty, quick, elusive, return man, can pass protect, and can catch. Plays with low center, good balance. I really like him.
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
Any idea on his speed/40 time, Joe?
Anthony Cosenza - January 24, 2012
4.45-4.55
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
whats the speed of pead?
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
4.40-4.45
Pead is faster, but 30 lbs lighter
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
i see
well if martin is like Rice, then I wouldn’t mind that at all. Hands is always a plus. I really think if Pead can get his 40 time in 4.3 something, he stock will skyrocket
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
maybe Pead can get into late 4.3s (4.35 - 4.40)
He looks that fast on tape, just wonder how much weight he’ll add by combine.
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
im really not sure, if he needs to add that much weight anyways
its not really his running style to run through people. but im sure he can add 10-15 pounds to his lower body with out losing a step.
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
He said yesterday that he wants to add some body fat. He’s only at 5%. He’d be best suited to add it throughout his body.
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
true... he would know better than any of us if the extra weight would help or not
but the thing the really caught my eye, was when the bearcats lined Pead on the line of scrimmage as a WR. That shows me a lot about his hands and feet work. He is going to be a steal where ever he is drafted.
I definitely need to look more into this Martin guy. Because it looks like we can still get the back we need in the 2nd round.
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
he looks closer to the 4.45 than to the 4.55
benson is/was about a 4.55 and this guy seems at least a bit faster.
dqniel - January 24, 2012
I agree but Indy is a slow track now. Benson is probably a 4.65 guy currently.
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
you're probably right.
dqniel - January 24, 2012
YESSSSSSS
Number 1 fan of drafting him. Would be great fit for us and a good value in the 2nd round.
jimbasa - January 24, 2012
Agree---
there are going to be some RBs with good upside there in the 2-3 rounds—Martin is definitely a good choice.
goffchile - January 24, 2012
I'm liking this kid more and more everyday.
In the 2nd Round he would be a steal…
Dwight Carter - January 24, 2012
I would love to grab in rnd 2
Looking like similar combine numbers as Ray Rice, but with a little more mass to him and a stronger upper body. And definitely has the team first “go to work” attitude Marvin strives for. Great addition to the team.
BengalCards - January 24, 2012
Like the idea of going RB in 2nd-3rd versus early.......
glad we’re doing some homework on this guy. From what I’ve read he sounds like a good fit for our system.
The Van Buren Boys - January 24, 2012
YES!
Martin is my next favorite back in the draft behind Richardson, I’d much rather have Martin later on than Miller in the first.
RHSNEYES - January 24, 2012
Martin!
Great stuff. Kid will be special
Cincinnati222 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
He is good.
This guy is good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4yCMXMK-bY
Lawrence Tyler Larson - January 24, 2012
Impressive highlight reel...digging his style
steve henderson - January 24, 2012
damn impressive highlights.
now they needs to just do something about that music…
dqniel - January 24, 2012
wow
he looks like he has a great burst and quick feet. Maybe round 2 would be a good fit
The Dealio - January 24, 2012
I think we might have to move up
In the second to grab him. He is my favorite back in the draft and reminds me of ray rice. Who is a pure power back that we can pair him with. My original thinking was we take Polk and then take lamichael James late but I think with Martin u need a bruiser and Scott becomes expendable
beast_ - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Martin would be the bruiser...
The dude is a rock. Scott’s not expendable??? You keep them both!
Dwight Carter - January 24, 2012
ganaway late
mike111 - January 24, 2012
i like him
JCompton41 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
I like Ganaway
round 5-6. Built like a truck.
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
looks like, outside of Richardson falling to the 17th pick, we will get our RB in the second rd
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
Somebody I highly respect (Russ Lande) has the Bengals taking Martin at 21.
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
wow
I would be very surprised if that happens… but i guess we will get a better idea after the combine
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
I think people know what they have in Martin. By him looking really good at SR bowl, just shows that he can still stand out in elevated talent. Dude is a gamer. He can’t improve stock anymore. Late first – Mid 2nd
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
So basically...
if the Bengals don’t take him at 21 they are SOL??? The Miller vs Martin debate would be a interesting write up =)!
Dwight Carter - January 24, 2012
now you’re talking! Good idea.
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
get to work joe!
JCompton41 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
It is starting to look that way...
DonavonBR - January 24, 2012
Anyone (Joe G?) know how old Doug Martin is??
I can’t find his DOB anywhere online. The reason I ask is that he was on BSU’s roster as far back as 2007 (so he could already be like 23/24), and he’s had close to 500 carries in college already, so his shelf-life (which is already super short for NFL running backs) may already be half expired if he’s, say, already 24. Lamar miller is only 21 and has had about 200 fewer carries, just by way of example.
In addition, and by way of comparison, Ray Rice is still ONLY 24 (and he’s already a 4-year seasoned pro.
This comment speaks nothing about Martin’s abilities as an NFL caliber), because by all accounts he is a very good prospect.
I am just curious about his age. Anyone know his age/DOB? I can’t find it anywhere online.
The_Black_Stripes - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Good point
as long as you don’t run him into the ground and split the carries he’ll be fine.
Dwight Carter - January 24, 2012
The Bengals are probably just talking w/him to find out which way the restrooms are :-)
ephram - January 24, 2012
Ha! You're right.
I have no clue. I’ll find out.
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
reply was supposed to be to Black Stripes re: Martin’s age
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
Thanks
I can’t find it anywhere.
The_Black_Stripes - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Im going to go with Pead in the 2nd still
Touhue Cha - January 24, 2012
thats what im thinking too T-Cha
but I still haven’t looked into Martin. So it could be a Martin in the 2nd if he falls or Pead.
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
Yeah depends how it all falls out
Touhue Cha - January 24, 2012
plus if richardson doesn't fall to 17 too, cant forget that one lol
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
a lot of stuff can happen and depending on the situation
Touhue Cha - January 24, 2012
Would Anyone Take Martin Over Chris Polk?
If so, Why? Polk at two inches taller is a better comparation to ray Rice. Take away Martins monster game. 20 carries and 200 yards and Polk is clearly the more consisitent of the two as per season stats and week to week stats. Polk had a weak OF Line. Marttin had a Great OF Line.
Chili Dog - January 24, 2012
martins my 3rd behind
Richardson and miller. Martin seems to have a more well rounded game then polk in my far from expert opinion.
JCompton41 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Why?
Who did B State play?
Chili Dog - January 24, 2012
Who Did Augustana Play When Kenny Anderson Was Their Quarterback?
Skeleton Kees - January 24, 2012
For That Matter... Who And Where Is Augustana?
Sometimes it’s good to look outside of the box.
Skeleton Kees - January 24, 2012
Indy is my Guess? Just A Guess. Great Question?
Chili Dog - January 24, 2012
Rock Island, Il
jim0ijk - January 24, 2012
They played UGA
and won! Go to the highlights of that game in 2011!!!
Dwight Carter - January 24, 2012
im just looking at his skill set
He’s got speed, he’s strong, decent hands, and runs hard. Polk to me seems like a Benson type back.
JCompton41 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
One are where Polk does NOT resemble Benson in the least is his ability as a pass catcher (regardless of how he looks in Senior Bowl practice)
The guy is a natural receiver out of the backfield, and had more catches than most (if not all) of the other top running backs (i.e. more than Richardson, Miller, Martin).
This ability, alone, differentiates him from Benson. Benson literally looked absolutely horrified whenever a ball was thrown his way. It was as if the football were a Texas boating patrol officer – he wanted no part of it, and just looked absolutely horrified of it!
The_Black_Stripes - January 24, 2012
*area
The_Black_Stripes - January 24, 2012
the lack of home run ability
Is what reminds me o a Benson type player
JCompton41 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
I follow you
I guess I don’t necessarily need a home run hitter, as long as the back can consistently average over 4.0 per carry (Benson has proven he cannot), can consistently convert third and short (Benson has proven he can’t), can catch the ball out of the backfield (Benson has proven he can’t), has a nose for the goalline (Benson has proven to not have this ability), has the ability to make people miss/is elusive (Benson has proven to not have this ability), and has good vision (Benson has proven he doesn’t), then I am ok if the back doesn’t necessarily have home run ability. In the WCO, vision, patience, and receiving ability are all desired skills, not just home run ability.
The_Black_Stripes - January 24, 2012 via mobile
i agree 100% with that
But I think Martin shows all that, with home run ability. I do like polk too, just like Martin better.
JCompton41 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Ray Rice wasn't thought to be a homerun hitter....
He surely showed us lol!!!
Dwight Carter - January 24, 2012
Polk got alot of carries
I really liked him but the more I watch tape he really ain’t a upgrade over none of our running backs. We need a game changer and Polk doesn’t have that in him.
pray4gm11 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Polk is not impresing
at the Senior Bowl practices…
Oregonbengalsfan - January 24, 2012
impressing*
Oregonbengalsfan - January 24, 2012
Wait a Minute.
Its the game that counts.I will wait and see how Polk plays with a great line.
Chili Dog - January 24, 2012
If he's not impressing in practice
he’s not going to impress in the game…
Oregonbengalsfan - January 24, 2012
Andy Dalton didn't overly impress anyone this time last year at the senior bowl practice
I even recall him fumbling the center-qb exchange a couple of times. Scouts were impressed with his demeanor and leadership skill, and all the intangible stuff that makes Dalton great, but stictly speakign of ON FIELD practices, A.D. was not overly impressive at the Senior Bowl last year.
You have to put these specific practices in their proper context. It is PART of the evaluation. The practice, in it of itself, is not the know all, end all.
The_Black_Stripes - January 24, 2012
No it's not the know all, end all
but as a RB if you can’t show something in practice, I’m not betting on you in a game.
Oregonbengalsfan - January 24, 2012
as of today
Polk is 2A and Martin is 2B
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
Is that over Miller?
The Dealio - January 24, 2012
yes
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
What?
Polk is 5’11" 220lbs and Rice is 5’8" 212lbs. Martin is clearly closer to Rice when it comes to size at 5’9" 210lbs. I would take Martin over Polk. Martin doesn’t have an injury history and seems to play at a faster speed than Polk. Plus Martin was a productive running back in a pass happy offense. IMO Martin just seems like a more complete back and I would consider him the 2nd best RB in this draft behind Richardson.
ItsAlwaysSunnyInDayton - January 25, 2012
Tell ya what,
There’s a lot that I like about this kid: his build, his hands, his feet, his BRAIN…. But, the biggest thing I’ve seen that I love is speed, speed, speed. I just don’t think you can measure this guys football speed on a track. Sure, straight line speed is needed to know, but his speed on the field is ridiculous. I’ve seen him play a couple times, but I’m sitting here watching this cat beat a DB to the corner of the endzone when the DB’s are taking great angles to the ball and their 40 times are probably right around the same, if not faster, than his. And it’s not just one DB. He’ll beat the Safety and the Corner from the front side of the field. That’s ridiculous
whodeycommish14 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
+1
My thoughts exactly. The highlights posted by Lawerence above there show him blowing past DBs (even if it is lesser competition).
Animal_Like_Football - January 24, 2012
Polk Had Alot Of Carries Is My Point
22.5 carries per game. Durable and never hurt except for a minor leg injury.
Chili Dog - January 24, 2012
SLEEPER ganaway 200 yard bowl game
mike111 - January 24, 2012
He has had 2 shoulder surgeries in college
ItsAlwaysSunnyInDayton - January 25, 2012
wouldn't read too much into it
The Bengals should be talking to everyone running back in the draft at this point!
bengaljohnboy - January 24, 2012
Wes Bunting today:
Evil Monkey - January 24, 2012
The Only Knock on Martin is that
He didnt face top teams each week
besides Geogria 1st week and Arizona State Bowl game and TCU week 11 and maybe San Diego State week 12
Touhue Cha - January 24, 2012
Same could be said about Pead!
TCfromDubVee - January 24, 2012
How so?
Diesel2405 - January 24, 2012
what powerhouses did cincy play?
JCompton41 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
WVU, TENNESSEE, SOUTH FLORIDA, PITTSBURGH, NC STATE,UCONN VANDERBILT
Touhue Cha - January 24, 2012
+1
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
still not like playing in the SEC to get more polished but those are still good teams to measure a back by
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
still not like playing in the SEC to get more polished but those are still good teams to measure a back by
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
+1
All those teams are still better then Boise State competition
Diesel2405 - January 24, 2012
Exactly
Touhue Cha - January 24, 2012
id say
Wvu, Tenn, and pitt are about the same as az state, tcu, and Georgia.
JCompton41 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Miami of ohio and Tulane come to mind.
Chili Dog - January 24, 2012
Boise played New Mexico and Wyoming too??
Touhue Cha - January 24, 2012
+1
and quite frankly, Boise had/has more talent all around than Cincy
joeb69 - January 24, 2012
so
Pretty much the same level of teams.
JCompton41 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
When did South Florida, Pitt, NC State & UConn become POWERHOUSES?
ephram - January 24, 2012
Powerhouses??
Boise State doesnt Face Good/Great/Powerhouse team each week in and week out
besides USF,Pittsburgh and UConn are more competitive then Boise’s Conference and NC State is better than Hawaii
Touhue Cha - January 24, 2012
USF, Pitt, and UConn
were garbage this year.
Especially Pitt!
TCfromDubVee - January 24, 2012
Garbarge
so are you trying to say Nevada, New Mexico,UNLV, Fresno State and Wyoming are better than USF Pitt and UConn??!?!?!?!
Touhue Cha - January 24, 2012
Didn't watch those teams.
I do however know those BE teams listed as powerhouses are not powerhouses or even close.
TCfromDubVee - January 24, 2012 via iPhone app
Those are not powerhouses except maybe WVU and a SEC school.
Big East is bad at football.
TCfromDubVee - January 24, 2012
i don't think the big east is that terrible but its definately not the SEC
which no other conference is at this point.
I think you can see enough out of a player like pead in the big east to know he will be good.
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
my point is neither has really played top schools
And honestly that doesn’t matter as much to me when looking at a back. If he has speed, he will have it playing against lsu, or utep. If he has a burst, he has it. Granted tackles being misses makes people look better, but backs are so hard to scout, and I think that’s because game film sometimes doesn’t show the skills needed to be a back In the NFL.
JCompton41 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Love Marting
I’ve expressed my interest to get Richardson if he drops, but I would be much happier if that option never presented itself and the Bengals were abel to get a stud Guard (DeCastro) and a starting caliber CB (Jenkins, Dennard, Kirkpatrick) in the first round and Martin in the second round. Highlights of this kid remind me of Ray Rice; low to the ground, quick, can move side to side, and always falls forward.
M Shop - January 24, 2012
*Martin
M Shop - January 24, 2012
See?
I think he’s better than when Ray Rice came out of Rutgers. Ray Rice was tough to tackle because he was hard to see and had the heart of a Lion. Not to mention his legs are like tree trunks, but Martin has what Ray has NOW. Great build, great hands, great feet and he has the ability to see the field.
whodeycommish14 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
He is better than Rice at this sane stage in career. Rice took off with an NFL workout regiment
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
He sure did
I watched Rice all season that year at Rutgers. I remember laughing when the Ravens picked him, but stopped laughing when I saw Rice run into the huddle and saw that he was jacked. I looked at a buddy and said, “Wellp, that’s what an NFL training program can do to you.” Everything else after that was blur because he was all over the field that afternoon in Baltimore.
whodeycommish14 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
See, I really liked Rice
First time I saw him was in the International Bowl. He lit it up and I was in love.
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
do u feel like the league is transitioning back to smaller RBs?....
i feel like smaller RBs have an advantage now, just because they get lost behind the line and they are quicker than everyone else.
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
I do
especially with the passing game being the focal point and the two-back systems everywhere.
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
Yea, definately
i feel like, we just need the right compliment to Bernard and Leonard. I think the RB we draft takes the majority of the load, but they split touches more than las year.
To me, we need to draft the best RB with speed and hands to really compliment the guys we have now.
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
+1
In the end, it comes down to who is available and who they believe fits in the offensive gameplan the best. To me Pead has everything you look for in a RB, I do like Martin too. In Today’s nfl you don’t need a running back to carry it 20-25 times a game you need 2 guys that can compliment each other and each get it 10-12 times a game maybe more.
Diesel2405 - January 24, 2012
i agree with Pead
There is something about him that makes me think he is a special back. Pead has great awareness and vision and hands. I said he reminds me a lot of chris perry. But could he possibly be the next marshal faulk???
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
I like them both
I have no problem with Martin in the 1st or second round to replace Benson and Pead in the 3rd or 4th to replace Scott.
jim0ijk - January 24, 2012
Well, I guess it kinda goes back to the "heart of a Lion" comment I made before
That was a screwy season in college football. Teams dropping in and out of the top five and ten like it was crazy. He played on Thursday night football like three times that season and I really liked what he could eventually bring to the table. I thought he was very smart, crafty, and did a great job of avoiding the deep blows that can hamper a smaller backs body. I just didn’t think he would get that big in such a short period of time. He gained weight, then put muscle on top of it. Incredible…. It was based off of size (my opinion on him in that draft). I just thought that in order to draft him, you would need to use him like Darren Sproles, but I’m not an expert, nor do I like to think I am haha.
whodeycommish14 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
i followed rutgers just because i liked rice
I was really hoping the bengals would draft him.
JCompton41 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
you forgot Stephon Gilmore in your CBs
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
I'm down with Gilmore too.
M Shop - January 24, 2012
No he didn't lol!!!
Dwight Carter - January 24, 2012
And by "See?"
I didn’t mean to be disrespectful. Was just stating an opinion.
whodeycommish14 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
oh, we're on the same page. I'm with ya
M Shop - January 24, 2012
Cool bud
whodeycommish14 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Martin his real deal also
Looks faster than everybody on feild. We lack elite speed on offense if we get him he takes us to another level. And another one of them high character guys coming from big time winning program. Would be solid pick up in 1st after we take corner.
pray4gm11 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Chris Polk Was Team Captain!
Need I say other?
Chili Dog - January 24, 2012
So was Santonio Holmes
steve henderson - January 24, 2012
hahahahaha
Diesel2405 - January 24, 2012
+1
ticalcaldwell - January 24, 2012
Hahaha yeah let's base everything off that
whodeycommish14 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
What no comment about Chris Polk's arm strength?
pemci - January 24, 2012
Ask Bernard Scott, lol
isnt thats why we only kept 2 QB’s because we knew Scott can throw just remember his pass when he scored the TD in Jacksonville ahahaha
Touhue Cha - January 24, 2012
lol something tells me, baby hawk would step up to the plate if both our QBs got hurt
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
WILD CAt offense??
Touhue Cha - January 24, 2012
I would like to see a T-cha and Joe G side by side mock draft round table
anyone agree?
sorta like our own Mel Kiper and Todd Mcshay….
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
So two days of Senior Bowl
scouts talk to two Running Backs…..hmmmmmm
ticalcaldwell - January 24, 2012
this means 2maro we are going to talk to the DB's
Touhue Cha - January 24, 2012
barron specifically?
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
He's not there
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
oh lol... that sucks
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
Barron, Dennard, Asa Jackson, and maybe even WR Marvin Jones outta Cal
Touhue Cha - January 24, 2012
man I want Barron bad
Miller and Barron….
ticalcaldwell - January 24, 2012
I really think Barron
Would be a menace to the AFCN on the football field. That dude is so bad. And I mean bad as in good.
whodeycommish14 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
I think so, Barron should be a good complament to Nelson (if we can re-sign him)
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
I completely agree
whodeycommish14 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
I totally agree with you guys
only 1 problem, what happen if we take Barron in the 1st and Mays totally beat him out for the starting SS and then suddenly we have trouble with PT at the SS spot??
Touhue Cha - January 24, 2012
I don't think we could have enough SS or FS.
especially in the AFCN. If that was the case, where mays was good enought to beat out Barron. I would move Barron to FS, Mays at SS, and have Nelson as an extra CB to spy, biltz, cover etc…. Give nelson more freedom
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
ahhh i see, sounds good too, but can Nelson cover WR in the slot and on the outside
if he can then we are going to have a Scary Secondary for years to come
Touhue Cha - January 24, 2012
for sure!
but that was his knock coming from the jags, that nelson was horrible with his coverage. didn’t really see that here and Nelson seemed to be covering for Crocker a lot.
Put nelson in position where he can roam around and he will be very similar to Troy Polamalu.
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
wait why not have Barron and Mays in a Special Package with Reggie
Reggie as the FS and Barron as the SS and Mays as the Short zone cover safety so Nelson can roam in the back and Barron and Mays can hit anyone coming into their zones??
Touhue Cha - January 24, 2012
West Virginia ran that when Rich Rod was there
3 down lineman,3 linebackers, 2 corners and 3 safeties. Not sure if it would work in the pros but its definitely intriguing idea.
EPK1979 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
we don't have the personell to do 3 down linemen
but we can take a LB out and place Mays in one of those spots.
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
I was just saying how WV ran it
It would interesting to see, even though I dont see Nelson hold up consistently in one on one coverage.
EPK1979 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
how about 4 DL and 2 LBs 2 CB and 3 S
Touhue Cha - January 24, 2012
yea that should do the trick!
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
Mays can come up to the line and can get back into coverage too
Touhue Cha - January 24, 2012
Does this mean we play 3 safeties like the NYG’s ?
Coldmutha - January 24, 2012
they play 3 safeties becuz their backside has been deplete by injuries
Touhue Cha - January 24, 2012
and are still in the superbowl
That shows it can be done and done good. If it gets the best players on the field I’m all for it. I’m sure it would only work for special packages and vs select teams.
JCompton41 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
that would happen for sure
Coldmutha - January 24, 2012
not better than Mays. you will see. Mays & Nelson will be the new best tandem in the North Conf
Coldmutha - January 24, 2012
I think this is the year the light goes on in Mays head
He showed promise late in the year, especially against the first game against the Texans. Thats why i dont think safety gets picked round one. I also hate to mention, Crocker is still under contract and there is a lot of man love for him by the coaches.
EPK1979 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
And
The safety prospects will be deeper and better next year. Barron would be the 6th best if those guys were in this draft.
EPK1979 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Crocker should take his role as a bench player and try to help Mays
Touhue Cha - January 24, 2012
why the love for mays?
JCompton41 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Draft Pick Value Chart
Does anyone know if the 2012 value chart takes into account the lower rookie wage scale? I curious to see the impact.
EarthwormJim - January 24, 2012
to me, it would increase the value of a rookie, especially in the first round
you get talent for cheaper, so you don’t have to worry about the cap as much.
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
You are correct
It makes getting good value and not reaching for players essential. We can add impact players in the first and they wont cost that much.
EPK1979 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
what I mean is
does it make the value curve steeper, or flatter? It used to be so prohibitive to trade up in the first round, even to move up a few slots would cost a boatload of picks. It seemed that in the past, there was a correlation between the $ value of a rookie contract at a given slot, and the value in the chart. So with the rookie wage scale now being flatter, it would seem like the value chart should be flatter too. But, as you said, the earlier picks are worth even more now, since the club doesn’t have to invest so much financially, which would imply that the curve would be even steeper, if that’s even possible.
Or… I’m way overthinking this. :)
EarthwormJim - January 24, 2012
value goes steeper, look at Julio jones last year.
like i said before. The value goes up for a first round pick because money wise they are cheaper. So if your a team you wouldn’t mind 5 first round picks because they are so much cheaper now than 3 years ago.
So if you wanna trade up to the first round, you will have to shell out a lot of lower to mid round picks to get value for that trade. I.E julio jones last year
but everything is relative, so the longer you wait to trade up, its going to cost you more
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
Miller is rumored to need shoulder surgery
Hadn’t heard that before today
EarthwormJim - January 24, 2012
I like Martin
But not in the first round. I dont think he will be there in the second when the Bengals draft. Maybe someone will come calling and we can trade down,draft him and pick up a extra pick.
EPK1979 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Who would Take Miller over Polk is the Question?!
The wait and see is on the table..Enjoy the Game! I take Polk over Miller. Polk can turn the corner! Simply watch U Tube and deside for yourself. Tape dosent lie.
Chili Dog - January 24, 2012
If that's the logic you're going on
Watch Miller turn a corner on YouTube. I watch him turn two corners on one play against Va Tech. Got outside, turned the right corner, got hit and stuffed, then switched fields and took it around the left corner only to run two DB’s over downfield for a thirty five yard gain out of nothing.
whodeycommish14 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
remember that kicker a few years back doing all those trick kicks.... i don't think he got drafted lol
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
That was a sick run. I dont get why people think Miller cant run between the tackles? Holes in the NFL close faster than they do in college. Having a quick intial burst is what should seperate prospects and I dont see that burst in Polk.
EPK1979 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Yeah it was
Just when you thought he was going to break down after running about forty yards east-to-west, he completely turns it up and runs over a DB while another one was rapping him low. Guess who the first person to his feet and back to the huddle was? Not the two DB’s. I’ll just say that.
whodeycommish14 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Not hating on Polk
But i disagree. The Bengals offense hasnt had explosive plays from the running game for decades. Miller brings that element to the table more than any back in the draft.
EPK1979 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
corey dillon was a bengal less than a decade ago ;)
dqniel - January 24, 2012
MARTIN MARTIN MARTIN
This kid is choice. Perfect fit for Cincy.
To answer about Miller. Miller Runs with Pads high and is too indecisive in the backfield to be great between tackles back. Miller is a beast though, I’m not saying he isn’t. I also wouldn’t mind him in the back field. I just think Martin fits Cincy’s needs better. Martin has better hands, blocks better, isn’t injury prone (his body is built like a boulder), he’s been on a winning team, and I don’t think it will bother Martin if he doesn’t get tons a “touches”. Don’t’ think Martin would start bitching.
GetMused - January 24, 2012
"and I don’t think it will bother Martin if he doesn’t get tons a "touches"
absolutely right… just look at the offense that Boise ran and how often they passed the ball with Kellen Moore, and he still produced
ItsAlwaysSunnyInDayton - January 25, 2012
DAVID WILSON
Not seeing much about this kid from VT. I saw him for the first time against Michigan in the Sugar Bowl and he was quick, slippery, and had an ability to burst through holes he created on his own. Also a fantastic kick returner. Lamar Miller and Wilson offer themselves as return specialists if they end up not being able to carry the RB load.
He’s ahead of Martin, Polk, and Pead in my book.
lil10isman - January 24, 2012
Martin is a return man also
Joe Goodberry - January 24, 2012 via Android app
Yes he is
And a very serviceable one at that
whodeycommish14 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
fumbles
Not a fan
JCompton41 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
He would be a great back up to trent Richardson if we could land both we are easily the most dangerous offense in the NFL with a.j green and if Jordan Shipley come back 85% or better
Andrew Moore - January 24, 2012 via iPhone app
U could make a case that Martin is a better overall prospect.
pray4gm11 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
true
im all for gettting a guy that can play his position and return kicks. I don’t like that tate just returns kicks, i get what their trying to do. But thats another open spot on the roster if we can get a guy that starts and returns kicks
AMAS85 - January 24, 2012
I like Richardson, but he plays with probably the best line in college. Haven’t seen nothing special bout him but great vision. Pead, Martin, James all bring something special.
pray4gm11 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Miller & Martin Over Polk In a Heartbeat
David Wilson too.
laibach - January 24, 2012
Im telling you guys...
Isaiah Pead has something really special about him. Its that gut feeling they talk about, and what is interesting I want Richardson over everbody else for this years draft, but just have that feeling that Isaiah is something huge in the making…
DonavonBR - January 24, 2012
It's nice to have that home run speed
But we need alot more out of a RB than just the ability to take it to the house. We need a guy that’s going to be able to lower his shoulders and plow forward for that 4 yrd gain. Polk and Martin are on the top of my list of RB’s not named Richardson. Their are a ton of guys that are on the street right now that everyone thought would be the next Sanders just because the were fast and had some moves. Scott isn’t a good RB and hasn’t shown he can catch any better than Benson. If we get the chance to take a 3 down back we better jump on it. If not I would be fine with a Pead type back.
Bigcatdaddy - January 24, 2012 via Android app
U really need 3 effective rbs now
Gruden has said his rb don’t need 25+ carries to be effective in his system. If we take Pead early and Ganaway late that a be perfect. Ganaway is type of back ur looking for, 240+ solid speed and is not getting stop on ZERO, 3rd and 1’s. How many teams use 1 rb? Teams just don’t use 1 rb for 3downs anymore.
pray4gm11 - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Wilson or Martin WOULD BE GREAT !!
Wilson is more than just spead,he has power and a nak for finding the end zone.Watch his highlights on utube.Martin reminds me of Rice .Hard to see until it’s to late.Fast feet,able to change direction without losing his speed.Both are better than Miller or Pead and harder to bring down. Besides Miller just went under the knife to fix his shoulder.(we don’t need that already!!) First we need to draft some huge guards that can block or nobody will be running very well.David DeCastro (Guard)17th and then Mark Barron(SS) or Janoris Jenkins (CB)21st.Second round go with a running back Wilson(RB) or Martin(RB).Third round I would go with Cordy Glenn (Guard) Then DL,WR,LB,etc.Get some young guards that we can have for 12-14 years. No more over the hill cheap players.WHO DEY
BengalDude - January 24, 2012
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