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Open Thread: Scouting And The Bengals

The season is close to being officially over and the Senior Bowl is right around the corner. That means the draft talk is in full swing and it's time to pick out which players you'd like to see on the 2012 Bengals roster. The Bengals have a lot of holes to fill at cornerback, safety, running back and on the offensive line.

What college players would you like to see in a Bengals uniform in 2012? The floor is yours.

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I would like to see

Miller = beast
Denard/Jenkins (based on personal interview)
Barron= need a high level safety…
BEST GUARD AVAILABLE

This is my wish list FOR RIGHT NOW…I havent gotten too deep into it yet…waiting for FA

Don't need Barrron. Tmays
I hope your right
no way the bengals chance and don't give mays competition

thats what he needs to get better.

They wouldn't draft Barron to compete for a spot

They would draft him to start, meaning the Mays experiment would be over.

not necessarly

We could still use a lot of mays on passing plays or some type of blitz package.

Mays

What has led you to the decision that Mays can start at safety? His extensive playing time? That we traded a 7th round pick for him?

Don’t get me wrong, I like the guy as a hitter, and I hope Zimmer works his magic on him. But coverage instincts aren’t just learned overnight, and we will have no better idea at the draft than we do right now whether the light bulb wwill go on or not.

If Barron is there, he can start right away. Mays can still be useful to the team. But pinning our hopes on him is just foolish.

That's what I meant though.

It would mean that Mays is not a starter and would be almost exclusively a special teams player / situational player. You don’t draft a first rounder to compete for a spot, you draft him to start there.

I wasn't directing that at you

but to all the dreamers out there :)

Still would take Barron....

Even if we end up trading either him or Mays afterwards. Gives us a little flexibility….

Clark Kent
a.k.a.

AJ Green, already got him

+1

and dalton = robin

He seems to be there when you need him. Dalton that is.

What does that make Gresham and Whitworth?? lol jk
whitworth = beast from xmen

gresham = hulk lol

Simpson = Aquaman?
simpson = smoke monster from lost
simpson = smoke monster from lost
YES!!!

tica tica tica tica tica

Forrest Gump stand out all American from university of Alabama! Man he is fast!

the scoutting report on him

says he is dumber than a box or rocks but does have good speed.

Man....

You have no love for boxes or rocks….

lol my bad... "box of rocks"
No problem....just some lighthearted teasing.. :)
box or rocks is also true though
"Scouting" should require more then ONE scout
Scout

They have three don’t they :).

I dont know. My highschool had more
Scouting Prospects

Isaiah Pead RB – words that Pead is tearing it up once again
Marvin Jones WR
Asa Jackson DB
Michael Brewster C
Kevin Zielter OG/C
Derek Wolfe DT
Marvin McNutt WR
James Michael-Johnson LB
Brian Quick WR
Mike Martin DT

We are dangerously low on our Johnsons....
theres only one Johnson up there on my list?? lol ahaha
Asa Jackson is apparently sucking at the senior bowl practices.
not sucking, he is struggling but he is having an okay day with punt returns and in coverage

has good back pedal

meh.......wouldn't touch him till the 6th
yes in my recent mock i would get him in the 6th or late 5th
wishful thinking

1a)kirkpatrick, 1b) Konz, 2) Martin 3)Stephen Hill 4) Pead

Realistically

1a)gilmore, 1b)Miller, 2)M. Brewster/B.Jones 3)S. Hill 4) Donnie Fletcher

Whats your take on Stephen Hill??

i havent seen him much, a overview please??

AJ Green

only he comes from a triple option offense, 6’5" high jump champ in H.S.

29 yard per catch avg
WOW!!

so is he comparable to Thomas and Johnson who also came out of GT Triple Option??

no

not in their class, but he’s a good blocker and can high point the ball, a boom or bust prospect imo that we can afford to take a chance on in the third, needs help with his routes( my biggest con, that and concentration lapses)

cool, but i was considering Marvin Jones WR outta Cal
don't know much about Jones

but I LOVE the potential ceiling for Hill, huge upside project

cool
check this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=D6BhdO59RM0

wow Hill is huge, he can play

check this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boy0tkwcv-A

I like them both

Hill really is huge

WOW

nice looking reciever, hadn’t heard much about him

its cool, thanks for showing me Stephen Hill though looks pretty good just need to fix a few things in his game then hes good
He's really raw. He did get concussed during the season
I don't want to draft any WR who isn't potentially stellar. We already have decent one.

If he isn’t a pretty sure upgrade – I pass.

Hill is not as good as Sands. And Sands is very average
ones a safety, the other is a wide out, how do they compare?
Saw him play in person

Great athlete. Route tree is very limited. Ran mostly go routes. Could be a very good player but I think he would have similar career path to Jerome Simpson.

my fear too

but could have another AJ Green with a 3rd, to me it’s worth it

I like him

I just dont think he could contribute for a season or 2.

3rd round is when the Bengals seem to go for boom or bust

11=Moch, 10=Shipley, Ghee, 09=M. Johnson, Coffman, 08=Sims, Caldwell, 07=none because in 06=Rucker and supplemental on Ahmad Brooks, 05=Chris Henry, R.I.P.

True, the Bengals Simply just take a chance on the guy because he's falling
that's why I like Hill in the third

but, you never know till draft day cause it could be someone else who takes the tumble

pead wont be there in the 4th or 3rd lol
I know

like I put, wishful thinking

i will go out on a limb and say that Pead may go the first round if he get his speed around the 4.35 range at the combine
pats wont pass that up.
like I've said in other posts

Pead to me is the second coming of Walter Payton, it’s just hard to convince other fans of what I see, I would not be upset if we reached for him

i see marshal faulk

great vision, good hands, and just glides on the football field when he gets the ball

but Pead reminds a lot of chriss perry in his college days
Nope

Raiders don’t have a pick until the 4th

I think we let INDY hire Paul Alexander and then we trade our 21st pick for their 1st in the 2nd and 3rd round then

the 17th pick for David DeCastro

the Colts can get Trent Richardson with the 21st pick

and then we can get Janoris Jenkins in the 1st pick of round 2
and then get Isaiah Pead with the 21st pick of round 2
then get Trumaine Johnson with the 1st pick of round 3
and then get trade our 21st pick of the round 3 for more picks

ahahaha just saying

id be okay with that if we can truely get all those players

but this the bengals we are talking about. they will stay put and wait for players fall to them.

Oh i was just saying if i was GM lol ahaha
Why do you want a C that high?
he's a monster

6’5" 315lbs, can play C/G or C with cook sliding to left G, in the AFC North, you gotta be big at C for all the NT’s we face, one of the knocks I have on Cook is he can’t hold his ground VS the bigger NT’s, but would make a terrific pulling G

sorry my bad I want Konz as well Brewster/Jones
Best linemen available at that point

and still could move Cook or they could play G

How about pick a T and change to G

Then again could do that with Smith

Why do you want to pick a C that high?
sorry double post
From Yahoo:

Markelle Martin (DB, Oklahoma State) stood out as the feistiest defender. Martin growled with rage when McNutt caught a pass in front of him, and delivered a lot of contact in both 7-on-7 and full-squad drills. He will be worth keeping an eye on as a press or Cover-2 cornerback.

On the offensive line, Kelechi Osemele (G-T, Iowa State), stood out during position drills, routinely putting defenders on their butts.

The North is short on centers, so Kevin Zeiter (G, Wisconsin) has moved over to back up Tim Brewster (C, Ohio State). Zeitler put several snaps on the ground and took extra reps at center at the end of practice. Zeitler snapped a few times in practice as a college freshman, but otherwise never played center, even at the Pop Warner level. “It’s just a matter of me being excited,” Zeitler said of the bad exchanges. Brewster also missed an exchange, but aborted snaps can be expected when working with three different quarterbacks under totally new practice conditions.

Speaking of Brewster, he got into a brief shoving match with Mike Martin (DT, Michigan) after Martin beat him on an inside move during position drills. Brewster and Martin are familiar foes, of course, because of the Michigan-Ohio State rivalry. “He’s one of my best competitors,” Brewster said after practice. “I love going against him.”

Kirk Cousins (QB, Michigan State) threw the prettiest pass of the morning: a 35-yard bomb on an out route that landed right in the arms of Marvin McNutt (WR, Iowa State). Unfortunately, McNutt dropped the pass.

Practice ended with Doug Martin (RB, Boise State) returning kickoffs. Martin was one of Monday’s stars and has looked like one of the best athletes on the field so far. Martin even lined up at fullback in front of Isaiah Pead (RB, Cincinnati) in what appeared to be a “speed” package for a few snaps.

..

I love it!!!!

I would love to see Martin and Pead together in the back with stripes.

wow, what if we really picked both of these players to replace Benson and Scott lol
That would be a pick your poison for defenses I would think... :)
If we can't pick up Barron, I would love Markelle Martin...

I’ve watched a lot of (the real) OSU ball (Go Poke!), and Martin is a talented safety. He has instincts, delivers a hit and tackles well. Good center fielder type, very competitive. The Cowboys were very good this year (as a team) at creating turnovers and the offense’s success kept the defense on the field a lot.

I’d expect that if we wanted Martin, it would have to be the 2nd round and even then he may not quite make it to us.

Martin is a fs and Barron is a ss but

I like Martin better as a 2nd rounder than Barron as a 1st rounder.

Scout Report

RB Trent, Martin, Miller
G DeCastro, Glenn, zeitler
CB Claiborne, Jenkins
DE Cuples, Ingram
DT Brockers
TE Fleener

I WANT TO WIN SUPERBOWLS NOT POPULARITY CONTESTS

What makes a good running back great? What makes a good QB elite? A stellar offensive line. I am starting the campaign now with 17th pick we NEED David DeCastro. Becoming an unstoppable force in our running game and an unmovable object for pass protection. Do you want to win super bowls? Than this is our first pick with out question. Now our second pick needs to either be Baron or Martin because safety has become such a necessity in this pass happy league. Running back in the later rounds and bring in a solid corner in FA. ( I really want Cortland Finnegan)

I agree with the offensive line statement, but Decastro will be swooped up by Dallas, unless somehow RG3 drops to them or they trade up
and our biggest needs is in the secondary followed by RB
I dont think he gets to the 17th pick but im all for DeCastro

I would even think about moving up a couple spots to get him. I dont think he would get past the Jets and that would suck!

Only chance to get him is to trade up

Chiefs or Seahawks. Our two firsts for their 1st, 2nd and 5th

While DeCastro would be nice

there are other good guards available in the 2nd round to beef up our line and we have too man needs to trade our 2 firsts for 1.

As long as we don't get left with Cordy Glenn I"ll be happy
BEN JONES!!! lol
you don't like Jones?

http://www.georgiadogs.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/jones_ben00.html

i mean i rather go Ben Jones and move him to guard if we dont get DeCastro or one of the Top guards
Osemele would be a pretty sweet consolation prize.
My Favourite Players in draft

players i’ve seen through season that have p[layed well
OT Markus Zusevics Iowa
G Zeitler(Barrett Jones if he had delared :( )
C Konz
WR A.J. Jenkins
RB Fozzy Whitaker (Texas)
TE Brandon Barden Vandebilt
LB Emanuel Acho (Texas)
CB Casey Hayward
S Trumaine Thomas
DT Derrek Wolfe
DE Jared Crick
PR Marquis Maze

My wish list

1(a) barron,ss (b) jenkins,cb
2 pead, rb
3 brooks, g
4 ta’amu, dt
5 (a)ganaway, rb (b) nielsen, olb
6 adams, wr
7 ellison, te

From just the players I"ve seen

DeCastro OG
Richardson RB
Barron S
Upshaw DE/OLB
Hightower ILB

Beyond that I’m in the dark more than usual.

But I think the Bengals will decide to go offense though. Take it to another level by adding a RB and WR and OG in the first three picks. Assuming they can get a couple corners in FA to start.

if we resign Jerome. I don't think they go after a WR in the draft

I think shipley, whalen, and Hawkins a do just fine

As I said, I think they take it to another level, not stand pat with the same guys.

By getting a WR early. Then with a much improved line a hopefully very good RB and WR, that offense will be scoring quite a bit.

Simpson is done in Cincy. We’ll not see him back. I’m just guessing what I think the Bengals will do.

I think Simpson will be back

he probably wont even spend a day in jail. So they can essentially sign a first round talent in jerome for real cheap.

Jerome = first round talent?

Gotta disagree there. Maybe third round talent who now has character/intelligence issues. I’d probably draft him in the 4th or 5th round if he were entering the draft today (hindsight is 20/20 though).

he would go top 10 now

Come on give guy some credit. This was his rookie year basically and he was solid. Only knock I had on Simpson was he didn’t attack the ball. Outside of Blackmon who is better than Simpson?

I need a little Joe Goodberry to help me talk down the homers.

I love the Bengals as much as anybody, but Jerome (1) often runs the wrong route (2) lacks focus and consistency catching the ball (3) disappears for multiple games at a time.

Putting him as a top 10 talent is a diss to legitimate top ten talents like AJ Green and Calvin Johnson.

That said, he’ll be one of my all time favorite Bengals for the flip into the End Zone. Coolest play ever.

Lets put it like this

He has first round athleticism, and 7th round football IQ

ur combine numbers is what makes u 1st rd pick

Jerome was playing his 1st full year in new system, rookie qb, and horrible line. And to top it off he was under FEDERAL INVESTIGATION and played pretty decent. It might not look like it but if u ask coaches who made more mental errors and they’ll tell Green between the two. Simpson is a solid #2

That's why I say we need to draft Usain Bolt as our next RB

He would light up the combine.

Also, a solid #2 does not go in the top 10 and I don’t think we can pass off a 4th year WR as a player who is basically in his rookie year.

Simpson might not get jail time, but the commish will definitely suspend him for a lot of games.
who?

Your not going to get anybody better than shipley in this draft unless u get Wright in first. Whalen and Hawkins are very nice dependable Wr who are going always be in right spots and have nice hands. Whalen might be better than Shipley and that’s saying something.

jenkins and adams looking good
this bentley kid is nice too
yea after watching some more videos, I still think pead is better martin+
Thats what i been trying to say
to be honest, so far I think pead would be my number 2 back overall

you cant teach vision and awareness. I swear every step Pead takes has a purpose. And he clearly has best hands and height out of the backs in the top 10

i would have to say the same

When i look at Pead, he is a little bigger version of Darren Sproles and he has the vision and the speed to cut it up the seam , Also i think he has the best hands out of all the back, maybe behind Richardson

i would argue Pead has the best hand out of all the top backs this year

and he is taller which gives him an edge too

Pead and Ganaway will compliment each other well. Ganaway has nice set of hands and is a sleeper pick in my book.

im not too sure about ganaway

but Pead does need to add a few more pounds, which I think he can add at least 10 to 15 with out losing a step. IF he runs in the 4.35 range at the combine (long shot), he will move into the first round. I promise!

as much as i like Pead, i dont want him to go in the 1st round because too many Teams can get a still unless we Pick him up in the 1st
i agree

i think if he clocks fast in 40. I can see the pats taking him at the end of the first round. They would be able to use pead to the fullest. IMO

unless we are able to trade down to get Pead
Homerism in full effect

Anybody know what Mardy Gillyard is up to these days?

Stupidest comment I have read so far?

In what way other then the school does Pead relate to Marty Gilyard?

the fact that everyone was trying to say gilyard was the next great wr

Just like they’re saying Pead is. People have compaired him to Walter payton, come on now!

Apparently the Bengals also talked to Chris Polk and Russell Wilson Monday

Monday’s Player/Team Observations

from what I seen of polk

he looks like a 3rd rounder to me. Polk doesn’t seem to have that good of lateral movement

And he wasn't impressing at all

in practice today

Polk sounds like Benson

straight ahead back, no shiftiness… please no

Wow ! Our Scout was Working Overtime...lol
He probably wasn't paid for it though...
West Coast Offense

Is a bell cow back away from greatness.

They’ll find a #2 receiver in free agency, and I think they’re very high on Binns and Hazelton. Shipley will EXCEL in the slot, and I think Ryan Whalen is going to be better than expected,

I know it’s not popular, but I think they have to take Richardson in the first. The extra pick gives them the ability to take a bit more risk, not to mention the new rookie scales make the risk far less.

I would have preferred Montee Ball, but I think Richardson could be an elite back.

Dallas had the triplets. They were 3-13 with just Irvin, 1-15 with Aikman and Irvin, and 7-9 with Aikman Irvin and Smith. Within two years they won their first Super Bowl.

Dalton, Green and Richardson would elevate the offense to unstoppable levels.

Just my dream mock. Probably wont happen though. So kind of unrealistic with Jenkins and Johnson and maybe even Wolfe

1a. Decastro
1b.Miller
2. Janoris Jenkins
3. Trumaine Johnson
4. Best WR
5. Derek Wolfe
6.Defense Depth
7. BPA

You guys are great

wish I had the time or the will to watch college football, but you guys here in CJ really help out a guy like me that doesn,t really have the time to watch. You are really knowledgeable about these up and comers. My hat goes off to all of you.

Jenkins, Glenn, Polk, and Wolfe
Polk = Benson
I don't see it.

Difference of opinion. I’m not on the Pead being the second coming train.

Mike Brown wants

KiJana Carter and Akili Smith

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