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Could Cincinnati Bengals Free Agents Sign with the Miami Dolphins? The Kevin Coyle Connection

JACKSONVILLE, FL - OCTOBER 09:  Reggie Nelson #20 of the Cincinnati Bengals reacts at the end of his team's win over the Jacksonville Jaguars at EverBank Field on October 9, 2011 in Jacksonville, Florida. Cincinnati won 30-20.  (Photo by Grant Halverson/Getty Images)

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8 months ago: JACKSONVILLE, FL - OCTOBER 09: Reggie Nelson #20 of the Cincinnati Bengals reacts at the end of his team's win over the Jacksonville Jaguars at EverBank Field on October 9, 2011 in Jacksonville, Florida. Cincinnati won 30-20. (Photo by Grant Halverson/Getty Images)

It is a common circumstance in the NFL when a coach leaves for another team, he is a draw for said coaches former team's free agents the following year (see: Hue Jackson, Carson Palmer, and T.J. Houshmanzadeh as one example of many). It is not necessarily a bad thing, especially in the case of Jackson and Palmer, but sometimes it can be the worst.

In a recent article by Dolphins beat writer Armando Salguero, he expounds on the Dolphins needs and how they could fill them in free agency and not have to put so much stress on the front office on draft day. Among the Dolphins main needs, including a quarterback, no. 2 wide receiver, and offensive linemen, Salguero notes that they need a lot of help on the defensive side of the ball. If you gave Salguero one free agent acquisition, who would it be?

Mario Williams, whose resume includes 48.5 sacks in the past 66 games, is my guy. That's the guy I team with Cameron Wake and turn the Miami pass-rush into a balanced nightmare.

Of course, who wouldn't want Williams to be the driving force behind their defense? But this is not the most eye-catching statement Salguero makes; he notes that a few of the Bengals top free agents would be perfect fits in Miami because of the influence on them of their newly acquired defensive coordinator, Kevin Coyle.


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Star-divide

On the list he includes,

Reggie Nelson, S, Cincinnati Bengals: The Dolphins just hired Kevin Coyle as their defensive coordinator after he served as the Bengals secondary coach fpr [sic] nearly a decade. That means he knows a little something about the Bengals secondary. And he somehow got Nelson, an early-round draft bust in Jacksonville, to play well in Cincinnati. Maybe Nelson might be the answer to getting some plays out of the Miami free safety spot.

Pat Sims DT, Cincinnati Bengals: Read the above and understand that Coyle saw Sims in practice every day. He has started 23 games in four seasons for the Bengals. He is mostly an anchor inside against the run. He is another, cheaper option to Paul Soliai. In fact, he's a cheaper option to both Soliai and Bunkley and he's only 26. Sims is from Fort Lauderdale so maybe he'd like to come home.


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A recurring point that Salguero makes in both player profiles is the presence of Coyle in Miami and his insider knowledge on both players. Both Nelson and Sims are must-sign free agents for the Bengals if they want to keep the no. 7 ranked defense in the NFL. The damage it would cause to the defense, especially the loss of Nelson, would be comparable to losing Jonathon Joseph last off-season.

It is highly unlikely that Coyle will bring both Nelson and Sims to Miami next season, but it is very likely that one of the two will leave Cincinnati. Sims would be the likely choice to leave because Miami would be willing to pay him a bit more than Cincinnati because he would have a starting role there, while in Cincy he is a rotation man. Sims would also be the likely one to leave because Nelson isn't going anywhere. Nelson is the Bengals top free agent and re-signing him is one of their main priorities this off-season. Even though Sims is the likelier to leave, the draw of Coyle in Miami pales in comparison to the draw of Mike Zimmer in Cincinnati. Even though Coyle is an up-and-coming coach in the league, Zimmer is a fan and player favorite in the locker room and that, the desire to build a better defense this off-season through free agency and the draft, and the massive amount of cap room should be enough to keep Sims and Nelson in Cincinnati for next year.

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sims and nelson

Have to keep both of them. No doubt. Get them signed asap

Doubt we'll keep Sims

He’s already said he’s going to test FA waters.

just to raise the offer from the bengals

but i think simms is replaceable via draft but we can’t afford to lose nelson for sure.

I agree on Nelson

Definitely need to keep him

Have a good yr and the vultures try and pick us apart

I’m starting to think that Miami didn’t hire Zim because they knew they could get Coyle. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free. Doesn’t Miami play a 3-4? I guess Simms would fit in but I don’t see Nelson going anywhere.

Miami is switching to a 4-3 under Coyle.
wish i were as optimistic as you

i fear another team will offer nelson 4.5+ million a year for a 2-4 year deal, while brown offers something far south of that. while all the cincy fans are left with another free agency deja vu pit in their stomach and on the field in a new secondary hole.

Reverse impact

Following this same line of thinking, who might Mark Carrier look to bring over from either the Jets or Ravens?

No one from the Jets

But I’d be okay with Ladarius Webb returning punts at PBS.

how about another new yorker?

Aaron Ross.

FA is going to be wild isn't it?

But the Bengals will always have the advantage given their large cap space and the fact these two players became successful under Zim and Lewis. If they get market pay, why would they leave?

Besides its hot down in Miami during training camp.

the bengals are probably one of the more patient teams out in FA

they usually let the the big time FA go and set the market before they sign anyone. So I would expect us starting off slow but once we start signing it will be all at once. I still think we cant get on of the top gaurds in FA.

"because Neslon isn't going anywhere"

Just because he’s our top priority doesn’t mean he’s going to stick around. JJoe was our top priority last year too.

I would even argue Nelson leaving will have more of impact then when Jjoe left.

i don’t think they will pass up the opportunity to franchise nelson if they think they can’t resign him.

lol u guys crack me up

Yall seriously gonna say losing Nelson would have impact as with Joseph… Nelson was the best secondary player on his team, Joseph was one of best in NFL. I like ballhawks in secondary, Nelson doesn’t fit that. Being honest that was also Joseph #1 problem here he couldn’t catch a cold. It’s a lil different though because Joseph still shut his man down, Nelson job is to play centerfeild and be a playmaker. Nelson drops too many int and has a lot of blown coverages. He’s best plays are hitting the receiver once he already catches ball are coming in gang tackling when back already picked up 7-8 yds or 1st down. Name 1 HUGE play u can remember Nelson making all year?

The INT in the Seattle game.

INT vs. Seattle. INT vs. Houston. Get out of here.

INT vs Arizona*

U get out of here… Them was balls that was thrown right to him… Now let me ask u this ? how many HUGE int did he drop?

maybe one? but that was partially knocked out by hall I believe

lol look at how many ed reed picks off like that. Most of his INTs pretty much are thrown up to him, Reed is a beast at hidding coverage and then moving back where the QBs eyes are. So most great safties have a knack of getting the QB to throw to them, striaght up.

+1

That’s why it’s called centerfield. Your not going to see many FS jumping routes or getting strip INTs.

No I see Reed running off his man to make a play on someone’s else guy. Nelson is dinner than box a rocks. Great athlete but don’t have brains to play safety. What instincts do he have? Nelson is 5th best safety in our division. Ward, Clark, Troy, Reed all are ahead of him right now.

he is my point

our defense got better when joseph left, so that kind of points out we didn’t necessarly need him. Don’t get me wrong, I wished he stayed.

But I would be willing to bet, if Nelson leaves, you know the FS that has excelled under Zimmers system, our defense would probably dip in overall rankings. I never seen a physical FS like him come up and stop the run like he can. And he has progressively gotten better in the passing game since he has been here. Nelson is on the verge of greatness.

Stat wise it got better. Let’s be honest that the weakest schedule we’ve had in a very long time. And so your telling me you’ve never seen Troy or Gholdson play? We got a little better in defending te/rb in coverage but that had more to do with Lawson/_Howard than anybody else.

Well I can telly Nelson had better stats then troy this year and troy has more help opposite of him

And the same can go for Gholdson because both players played on a better overal defense.

I think with how our D is set up, we really don’t really rely on our corners to be elite. Our corners just need to be declipline and have good technique. Our Dline controls the line of scrimmage and we need our LBs and safties fill in the holes. Which Nelson is a beast at. But as far as the passing game goes, I felt Crocker was a liability and Nelson didn’t get the freedom that Troy gets on his defense. So if we can resign Nelson and get him some help, kinda like what Troy and Clark do on the steelers, Nelson would defenately get more attetion because he will be able to get those sexy stats.

With all that said, If Nelson were to leave, we would be essentially taking to two steps back. And when Jospeh left, we didn’t lose a step. We actually got better as a unit.

Don’t know if ur talking bout the Bengals? But I do know that the bengals just had 2cb that were the best tandem in NFL so don’t know where u get we don’t rely on cb to be elite. Seriously dude that’s how our defense was set up for our cb to play on a island for we can be aggressive. And u don’t have Kobe, Lebron, D rose on same team and they avg 30. So what I’m saying is of course u have good stats on poor team but when u put a group of stars on same team stats go down because I don’t need that one player to do much. Please stop putting Nelson and Troy in same class. Troy had more tackles than damn near our lbs, Nelson got moat of his tackles either by gang tackling, he only had around 25 solo tackles all year…

Don’t know if ur talking bout the Bengals? But I do know that the bengals just had 2cb that were the best tandem in NFL so don’t know where u get we don’t rely on cb to be elite. Seriously dude that’s how our defense was set up for our cb to play on a island for we can be aggressive. And u don’t have Kobe, Lebron, D rose on same team and they avg 30. So what I’m saying is of course u have good stats on poor team but when u put a group of stars on same team stats go down because I don’t need that one player to do much. Please stop putting Nelson and Troy in same class. Troy had more tackles than damn near our lbs, Nelson got moat of his tackles either by gang tackling, he only had around 25 solo tackles all year…

not sure where you got your stats from but here are reggies REAL stats from this past year

TACK 85
SOLO 59
AST 26
SACK 2
FF 2
FR 0
YDS 0
INT 4
YDS 115
AVG 29
LNG 75
TD 1
PD 12
STF 2

Decent stats… I really don’t believe in stats so when I toss numbers around 85% of time I’m being sarcastic!!! Don’t get me wrong I love Nelson did since his Florida days, but he’s not close to being an elite safety…

i think its going to be hard to find a safty with better numbers than those

And i think under another year with ZImmer, we will start saying Nelson is elite. but time will tell my friend.

And we didn’t lose a step without Joseph???? Hahahaha we sure didn’t gain any steps… #1 priority this off season is find not 1 but 2-3 cb. We lost out going without Jones and Joseph this year.

lol CB is a priority because one had a serious injury and other one is near the end of his career

plus we only have 3 under contract that made the 53 man roster. CB is need because we are short on CBs not because we lost joseph.

we only need two, one FA whether its Jones or Jennings or FA outside the bengals organization. And we will definately draft a CB in the first.

With or without Joseph we needed cb help… Plus we gambled on Pac-Man being healthy…

Hopefully Sands and Mays step up.

We still need to re sign Nelson but he’s not a difference maker on a GREAT defense. Everybody overlooks the teams we played last year weren’t great. How many pro bowl qbs we played against last year? The one we did play against pick us apart. Our defense outside of depth of d line and Lawson was HORRIBLE last year.

I would agree on Nelson

While I think the Bengals need to sign Nelson, he isnt a top 10 safety and end all be all a lot of people on here think. Yes he could improve even more next year but if he happened to leave he would be easier to replace than Joesph was.

i bet you he is a top 10 safety.

possibly a top 5 FS

No use

he’s back to his same old rigmarole

Ain't that the truth....
me or EPK1979 ?
Neither of you 2 :-)
Not you guys... :) Sorry...
lol its cool, i got to learn a new word anyways

had to get out the old dictionary for rigmarole

Its just my opinion but im sorry

I just dont see. If we didnt resign him and used that money on a Tyvon Branch the production would be similar if not better, imo. With that being said, I do hope we resign because as of right now, the Bengals have nothing better.

But

Overall I say if Nelson left the only reason it would leave a bigger void than Joesph because their isnt anything behind Nelson on the depth chart. Joesph is more of an impact player.

we really didn't have anything behind Joseph when he left either

i think your seriously under estimating Nelson contribution this year. I think they are equally the same as far as being an impact player. But under Zimmers system, Nelson has a bigger impact. Especially being in the AFCN.

Nelson had same stats with Jax if not better… And once again Nelson is 5th best safety in our division…

Seriously

It’s already been pointed out and shown that his stats in Jax are worse than his stats here.

No there are not only career high was in assisted tackles and sacks. U never seen.him play probably before he came here. He was a beast his 1st year in Jax. He got hurt never was unproductive.

Like I said

it was already pointed out to you in a previous post by several people and you refuse to acknowledge it. I’ve seen him play plenty before he came here. Football isn’t just Bengals to me. Yes he was beast in his rookie year. After that, they were calling him bust. And now they are calling him a good safety and our top priority. So yeah, he was better there…

Bengal fans SETTLE for ANYTHING!!! We have 1player on defense that u couldn’t find a replacement for in draft or free agency this year…. And Nelson ain’t the GUY

your right because we will resign him!
I wipe my own ass!!!
congrats on the accomplishment!
lol

Something Oregon fans must don’t do

i must be missing something here

Yea that group like to wipe each other ass I guess

ohhh ok, well i will stay out of it then, i thought the orignal comment was kind of random myself

RIGHT

Wait

do we like to or don’t? Dude you have no clue… on anything

this how is see it when it comes to reggie....

how many games did you watch last year and thank the football gods we had reggie on our team?

I think for me, there as a least one moment in the game where I was relieved that we had him. What particular impresses me about reggie is his body control when he lays the wood. He uses prefect technique and doesn’t lead with his head or any of that.

that reminds me, i really wish the league would fine referees for bad calls. I mean the fine everyone else why not the zebras?

How many of those flagged hits did he get fined for?

Usually the press releases when the almighty Goodell hands out fines for flagged hits. I don’t remember any of them costing him because they were clean. The refs have to lighten up on that crap. Nelson does have the best technic when it comes to laying the smack down.

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