Cincy Jungle

Why is it that he is a #2 wr all the sudden?

We would have 2 #1’s and Wallace can move all over the field.

Diesel2405 - February 20, 2012 via mobile reply

Because you have one #1 WR and a #2 WR

And he's already the #2 on the Steelers anyway

Yeah no he is there number 1

Ward might be listed as the 1 but that’s a joke. Ward was on the bench more this season then he was in.

Diesel2405 - February 20, 2012 via mobile reply

Nobody is ever “listed” as a number one, but if there was someone listed, it would not be Ward, and it would not be Wallace either. Ward lost his “starting” job mid season, so technically he’d be a 3 and that’s only because of Sanders’ injury problems.

There's someone listed as the X, and when people say "#1" that's generally what they mean.

And I’m pretty sure Wallace is your X.

Ok, what I am saying is that the only people that call Wallace our number 1 guy, are fans of other teams, or clueless announcers (like Phil Simms).
As far as what Diesel said about Ward, I can’t imagine anyone in the world that would call Ward the number 1

And what I'm saying is that even if Antonio Brown is better (which he is because he's more complete as a player)...

Wallace is the “#1” because he’s the X. That means that, in a three-wide formation, he’s lining up isolated. By extension, that also means that he’s more likely to have to deal with the CB having safety help over the top every time he runs a route. That also means he’s probably facing #1 CBs. Regardless of whether he’s the best receiver on the team, he’s a #1. Maybe not #1 option, but #1 receiver. And his numbers would probably improve since here, with AJ Green on the other side, he’d actually be the #2 (Y) receiver.

Well, if it’s where they line up, then what do you say about Marvin Harrison who’s assignment was “Peyton’s left side”

Hey everybody, look at the exception!

lol. But I am curious as to where you found that Wallace is listed as the “X”?

Who gives a shit

Everyone knows, except for apparently you, that Wallace was the Steelers #1 WR. To say otherwise is ignorant

No, you are the one being ignorant. That “Everyone” you refer to are not people that watch and follow the Steelers.
So because you saw a couple highlights on ESPN and heard ESPN claim he was, doesn’t mean it’s true. I don’t know why this is so hard for you to accept.

Wallace is not worth signing IF we lose the chance to pick up TR

thats all I got to say about this lol

so we are basically trading one of our first round picks to get wallace. Its not worth it in my mind because we are losing out of one of these players: TR, Kirkpatrick, Jenkins, Decastro, and Dennard, when we can get two of them.

NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I would not give up any pics for Wallace.

REASON,.

EASY, Andys arm is not STRONG enouph yet to be able to hit Wallace in stride like crotchburgler
So with that being said lets let Andy work on his arm and lets work on our offensive line and running back.

WHOOOOOOOOOOOO DEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ALLL DAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

77CincyRage - February 20, 2012 reply

Sure he is

Just has to throw it earlier. It’s timing, not an arm strength issue.

I wouldn't want to give up a 1st for him

Would be nice, but I’m not worried about the WR corps at all. We need a couple Gs, a RB, a CB or 2, a S, and we need to resign lots of D-linemen. With all those needs I am not worried about WR at all. Certainly not enough to give up a first for one.

indesignkat - February 20, 2012 reply

its as if we forget about the "ship"

jordan shipley that is

The Van Buren Boys - February 20, 2012 reply

Shipley

I think Shipley is a better option in the slot position.

3ethan - February 20, 2012 reply

Never abandon Ship! =)

Agreed, we seem to have forgotten about Shipley….

pemci - February 20, 2012 reply

I would rather have Kendall Wright

I know Wallace is a proven entity but I think Wright would bring the same type of speed. Wright will be the next Steve Smith or even better, imo.

EPK1979 - February 20, 2012 reply

The problem with it

the pick goes to a team in our divsion

messjunk - February 20, 2012 reply

plus cap relief

to a team that is reeling in cap issues.

einman77 - February 20, 2012 reply

+2, we're really helping them out as much as anything if we were to do that.

I say we keep the picks, looking more and more like some of our top guys are going to fall to us. They’ll be cheaper, younger, nothing guaranteed as far as performance, but then again, FA isn’t either.

+1billion

We would be helping them out. They would probably welcome the idea so if it happens I pray it’s someone else that does it. I looked into their situation a little after we had a guest steeler blogger yesterday and his comments on everything being fine in steelerland. They were 25 mill over the cap and last week got it to 13.3 mill. If they get the money from last yrs cap to roll over (a whopping 506k) it puts them around 12.8 mill over. They have to make some major moves before Mar 15 and I think they have Ben and some restructuring their contracts but it’s still not going to be enough. It might get them under the cap if they cut a few players but of course it’s players they expected or want to see go lol. That still leaves little to no money for FA which I was told the steelers didn’t really ever get into FA since (I don’t watch football) but what about signing their own. They have 3 FA QB’s to do something with. Wallace would cost 9.4 mill to tag so that doesn’t look like an option but if the put a tender on him it’s a 1st and 2.7 mill. I don’t want the guy but if we offered 2.8 just to make them pay a little extra it’d be great. We just need to leave them be and watch as they start scrambling to make room. If we take a one of their higher paid guys and give them a 1st then it’s a win win for them.

Bigcatdaddy - February 20, 2012 via Android app reply

after we had a guest steeler blogger yesterday and his comments on everything being fine in steelerland

Their arrogance is astonishing. I guess all those Super Bowls give reason, but I just have the feeling that most of them would be walking up a 30 degree angle on the Titanic claiming that all is well just before the hull breaks. I’ve always maintained that Steelers fan are the most self absorbed in the NFL, even before this last run. Growing up in eastern PA I just couldn’t believe how Steelers fans just never could admit that they were terrible EVEN WHEN THEY WERE TERRIBLE!!! I’ll never trust a Steeler fan to give an honest assement of thier team, and with all the winning of late I assume the glasses they are wearing are even a deeper shade of rose than usual.

einman77 - February 21, 2012 reply

Their arrogance is astonishing.

How is it arrogant to trust a front office that has done nothing but give you a reason to trust them? Do you think this is the biggest mess they’ve gotten out of? Couldn’t it be argued that the arrogance of some here claiming that the ship is sinking and we’re totally screwed and blah blah blah are just as bad?
I will always be fascinated with the things people will make up to “bash” fans of teams that are successful.

I've help this belief for a long time

through the 80s and 90s I knew Steelers fans, and they couldn’t admit the team was bad even when it was. And it was. The team had never won a Super Bowl between the time my friends were born and the time I talked to them. It boggled me. I still am shocked that I’ve never heard a Steelers fan admit that Super Bowl XL was tilted by the refs. Even after the ref came out and said he screwed the pooch. Even your comment that they’ve done nothing but give you reason to trust them seems arrogant to me.

Even your comment that they’ve done nothing but give you reason to trust them seems arrogant to me.

And that is the complex I keep referring to. You resent other team’s success, and their fans for being able to experience their success. There is absolutely nothing arrogant about trusting your front office. For some reason it upsets you if I say anything that isn’t “you’re right, we’re gonna suck, we’re done”
So, will this make you feel better?
“man our team sucks, we are going to win 3 games next year if we’re lucky. Our FO sucks, have they ever done anything right? Why can’t we even have one decent player”?

There…all better now?

through the 80s and 90s I knew Steelers fans, and they couldn’t admit the team was bad even when it was. And it was.

Depends on what your definition of bad is. The Rams have lost at least 13 games 4 of the last 5 years. The Raiders lost 10 games a season for 7 straight years, then you have the Lions.
As bad as the Steelers were in the 80’s, they only had 3 losing seasons.
They were mediocre, not bad. They averaged 8 wins a year, and the worst season they had was 5-11 (in fact, 5-11 is the absolute worst record they’ve had period since 1969.

I still am shocked that I’ve never heard a Steelers fan admit that Super Bowl XL was tilted by the refs

What I’m shocked about is that there are actually people out there still whining about it. I’m going to take a stab in the dark and say the reason they won’t admit it, is because a lot more things caused the Seahawks to lose than 2 bad calls, and one of them didn’t hurt them at all. They shot themselves in the foot constantly all game. The ref came out and said he made a couple bad calls, awesome. The Steelers overcame bad calls in the divisional and early in the AFCCG, so I guess it balanced out in the end. That’s what good teams do, they don’t proceed to fall apart and kill themselves (pun intended…because of Seattle…get it?)
Saying the refs tilted, fixed, or anything like that is just losers mentality. Anytime things don’t work out they way people think they should, they start crying conspiracy. For every bad call you can point out, there are two instances of them hurting themselves.

Out of curiosity..to this…

I still am shocked that I’ve never heard a Steelers fan admit that Super Bowl XL was tilted by the refs.

So, they should come up to you, unsolicited, and start a conversation by saying “you know what, the refs won us the Super Bowl”? Or, is that how you open your conversations Steelers fans you know?
At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter how much it bothers you (or anybody), and it doesn’t matter who admits or denies anything, the game was already recorded, you can’t do anything about it.

unbelievable

Obviously you are very humble and open to ideas outside of your own. I’m glad that we had such an open, understanding conversation. I am now completely enlighted to your wisdom and I wonder how I have missed such insights on my own. You obviously live a very fulfilled life and beautful life. I will strive to be like you.

Try not to take the above message too seriously.

Easy enough….
The thing that was missing in your sarcastic rant, was a point.

Humble? Yep, if you think answering things about my team truthfully or responding to misinformation, or not overrating Mike Wallace means I’m not, then you really need to reevaluate things.
What ideas do I need to be open to? Have you shared any?

Open conversation. You mean the one where you want to tell me I’m arrogant because I trust the front office, and how you have always believed some nonsense because Steeler fans you know don’t come up to you and say the refs fixed the Super Bowl? Or maybe it’s how you say you can never trust a Steeler fan to make an honest assessment of their team, when you show yourself that you can’t make an honest assessment of our team.

Enlightened to my wisdom? You mean pointing out the obvious? Or do you mean how I wouldn’t call a team that averages 8 wins a year “bad”.
If you wonder how you missed out on such insights, it’s was because you were too busy convincing yourself that the Steelers and their fans are bad, and anything they say is wrong, and most importantly, figuring out things to say about them that you know they won’t agree with, so when they disagree you can say to yourself “typical Steeler fan”.
Fulfilled and beautiful life? Sure…I’ll just remind you that we are talking about football teams here. If you want to be like me, the best advice I could give you is to get over your hangups they don’t help anyone.

The thing that was missing in your sarcastic rant, was a point.

Since this wasn’t obvious enough, I’m saying that there is no point in continuing to try and communicate with you.

“continuing” implies you tried in the first place. But, correct, there is nothing to be gained unless I type what you want to see.

You are welcome to think that.

I will just say that the things you are projecting onto me are not true. That’s why the conversation can’t move forward. You don’t address the topic at hand. You throw up a bunch of straw men for people to take swings at. There’s no point in engaging with you as there is no end to it. This is the first thing in 3 replies that I’ve said and you, but you have continued to do so no matter what I write. It’s so ingrained that you obviously don’t even realize you’re doing it.

I really can’t figure out how you are trying to pin this on me, but even more confusion is what you just typed.
Projecting? it seems like you focused in on one thing there. I’m not projecting, I am defending myself against this sort of sheep mentality for a long time. I have specifically addressed every topic at hand you created for us. Why not cite specifics instead of making all these generic and random comments? You have a “ready defense” for anything, why is this?

This is the first thing in 3 replies that I’ve said and you, but you have continued to do so no matter what I write

I don’t understand what you’re trying to say here.
Actually the whole last paragraph…
Could you possibly elaborate? .

Stake your claim. Whatever you’re trying to say, just say it. No need to be cryptic.

I’m always down for a conversation. However, illogical, irrational people with odd fixations on another team and their fans come in guns blazing generalizing, insulting, and accusing and it makes it tough. Especially when they are “my way or the highway” types that try to call people out for their “arrogance”

But still, despite all that, I’d still have a conversation with you, if you had ever attempted to carry one on. Instead you just want to make sure I understand you hate the Steelers, no matter what I’m trying to talk about.

I'll indulge

You think that I want you to say that the Steelers are bad, or admit weakness. I don’t. I even said that I can understand why Steelers fan would be cocky. But it’s a central theme that you think I absolutely need to hear. Right there you go off track and you are still on that track.

The reply to the 80’s and 90’s comment specifically focused on the 80s when you weren’t that bad, no mention of the 90s. You simply seem concerned with justifying the behavior. Maybe I happen to know some arrogant, short sighted people. The fact that you argue that it’s acceptable to be arrogant is beyond me. I can’t agree see that point of view, no matter how good things have gone in Steeler land. I don’t see that as an appropriate quality in someone.

The talk about the Super Bowl, I never said anything about who deserved to win the game, or who should have. I wasn’t whining. That’s simply what you have in your head and you’re laying it on me. I just said the game was titled. A better team could overcome such a thing, yes, but that’s not the point I was getting at. I simply don’t believe it was fairly called, and have yet to hear a Steeler fan agree with that. But again that’s not where the focus of your reply was. The fact that you even think that’s the way I address Steelers fans is as clear as day a projection you’re laying on me. Refuting it is just entering a conversation that is just going stepping in the trap that you set up to get away from the point.

The talk about “loser mentality” makes me think you pin too much of your personal worth on how your football team does. Maybe that’s me projecting myself, maybe you meant it as an insult, or maybe I’m just missing something. But the fact is that I’m not focused on the actual calls, but the Steelers fans reactions to it. You took it all the way to that and there was no precident whatsoever.

In all, it’s not what I say but what want me to be trying to convey, because what you want me to be wanting to convey is an argument you think you have the advantage in. Simply, you’re projecting whatever notions you have of the conversation onto my words and running with it rather than engaging in the conversation. It’s too much to deal with in order to have a real conversation.

Before you do it

I don’t see that as an appropriate quality in someone

That was not was I was trying to say. I meant that it’s not a quality that someone should strive for or defend, not to say that it is inappropriate. I completely misworded that.

Well first, you should give me a chance before declaring that I won’t respond. There are times, believe it or not, when I have more pressing matters. I’m going to respond in the order in which the charges were levied.

What exactly is your point about the 90’s now? Are you completely unaware that the Steelers were actual contenders during the 90’s (which is a far cry from the perennial doormats you proclaimed them to be in the 80’s, which was the original point you made). See, the problem isn’t that I feel the need to defend against ignorant statements, it’s that you just make shit up to try to create an argument. You imagine some alternate universe in which things happened the way you imagined them/hoped they would.
What’s your point about the 90’s exactly? I left them out, because as a response to what you said, it was irrelevant. But if you want to enter exhibit B all the sudden, let me inform you that that weakens your case. That horrible squad averaged 8.5 wins a year, which is better than the 80’s
That is even weighed down by the last two years of the 80’s, which were non-Steeler like.
So, now what do you have for that? It’s almost as though you don’t have access to the internet, even though we are communicating on it…very strange

As far as your “justifying being arrogant” I have no idea where you came up with that from, but it does fit the profile, so we’ll leave it there in the feint hope that you can actually provide a rational argument. You can spin it any way you want, but the reality is that you are insecure. That’s it. I’ve seen it all before.
It’s your imagination telling you I’m arrogant, when in reality, I’m just sick of childish bullshit like the stuff you and all your other similarly “loser mentality” buddies try to fling at me any time I try to interact with fans of less fortunate franchises. When you talk that bullshit for the 905 billionth time, what do you expect? Then I present factual information in my defense, and you get on with the conspiracy theories, passive aggressive insults,insecurity based accusations and whatever else makes you feel better. I’m glad you don’t see finally getting tired of the Yahoo sports style “insults” and accusations as an admirable quality, but then again, you do have that loser mentality.
You can try to “back door” out of your own Super Bowl argument, but that’s to be expected. You certainly weren’t expecting someone that could actually call you out on your whiny bullshit.
You’re not whining? Really? We’re here in 2012 talking about a game that happened six years ago, and that was your whole basis for your “hate” for Steeler fans, and you’re not whining?
Your entire image of the fan base is based off of them coming to you and admitting some sort of conspiracy happened. Are you freaking kidding?
Who cares what you think wasn’t fairly called? Nobody. Just like nobody cared about how unfairly called the AFC divisional game was called, and the first quarter of the AFCCG….that kind of shit would have crippled lesser teams.
You have no point man, and don’t try the old ’i’ll preemptively say he can’t have a conversation, therefor absolving myself of any wrongdoing should he reply" thing. You know what you were saying.

The talk about "loser mentality" makes me think you pin too much of your personal worth on how your football team does.

No, you’d be incorrect on that too.That is a common claim by fans of teams like the Eagles or Browns, but that’s fabrication. The reality is, your arguments to support your point of view fall in line with that assessment. You can search my comments during and after the Denver playoff game to prove yourself wrong on that one. Let’s keep it where it is, you exhibit common loser qualities. We all do. I have a couple myself. I just don’t try to pretend they don’t exist by tricking myself in to believing I’m fighting some cause " for underdogs everywhere"

Again, twist it however you wish, but you know what’s going on. You know that everything in this comment is bullshit. No amount of misspelled attempts to use big words will change that.

FrankWyt - February 24, 2012 reply

Why can't you respond now?

You have plenty of justifications for why you should be cocky while claiming you aren’t. You have a series of tactics to make it seem like others are lesser fans than you while again arguing that you’re not arrogant. You come on this board and make a big fuss, trying to steer people away from this “sheep mentality”, but when I call you on your crap you have nothing to say.

Look, the reason you can’t outright say that it was unfairly called Super Bowl, despite many other fan bases saying it was, is because you are stubborn in your stance due to pride, which is arrogance. I’m not a Seahawks fan, so don’t try and pin that on me. It’s just the most glaring example of the blind arrogance that Steelers fans cling to. If something like that happened to the Bengals I’d laugh about it all the way to the parade.

Admit that the refs gave you an edge. That’s all you have to do. If Steelers fan were even open to the idea it would change my stance. But that’s not the culture. The common call is to denounce Seahawks fans as crybabies. That’s just poor taste in blaming the victim and what colors your reputation.

I have read some level headed things from time to time from those from your blog. But the vast majority has their blinders on. But keep on fighting the good fight and letting Bengals fans, on their own board, know who’s really right about all this stuff. That’s not arrogance in the least.

I still have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about as far as “justifying being cocky”. That is your thing man. That’s what you cooked up. In fact, everything you just typed screams “stock comment” (you know, like stock photos…you see them everywhere….)
You haven’t called anyone on anything, you threw someone that didn’t fit into your mental image of a big bad Steeler fan that’s been ruining your enjoyment of football for over 20 years (40 if you’re actually an Eagles fan)

despite many other fan bases saying it was, is because you are stubborn in your stance due to pride, which is arrogance

No little boy, I openly admit to anything. The game against Miami last year ended very favorably for us. Having film from all of 2010, I counted 64 instances in which Harrison was held and it wasn’t called (judged against two instances where it was called). And I don’t care what other fan bases that have a vested interest in convincing themselves that the Steelers aren’t that good, think. That’s loser mentality boy, stand up for yourself, not what others tell you.
I don’t have to do anything, that’s what you want me to do, there is a huge difference. “huge advantage” implies that they were the reason the Steelers won. However, a highlight reel of Seahawks mishaps would prove much more convincing. You just choose to ignore them, and I’d be anything you aren’t aware of any of those plays. Why would you be? You don’t let anything factual get in the way of your holy crusade against the other team in your state who just happens to make your team irrelevant.
The fact that it takes Steeler fans bowing to what you consider true in order for you to “change your stance” just shows what type of person you are. And if you’re confused as to what that is, just re-read my comments to you.

The common call is to denounce Seahawks fans as crybabies. That’s just poor taste in blaming the victim and what colors your reputation.

So, now you are the protector of the light for Seahawks fans everywhere? I’m imagining you are around 15 or so, but I’m going to refer you to the 95 Super Bowl (played in 96 obviously).
You notice you never hear Steeler fans cry about that? One of the worst things in Steeler history, and it stunk like Lamotta losing to Billy Fox.
So…yeah…after so much time, it’s time to suck it up. Crying about it changes nothing. Bill Leavy saying his missed a few calls means nothing, no matter what you or any of your Steeler hating buddies say, the result, officially, is Steelers 21 Seahawks 10…that’s it. They are crying and whining, and so are you. Even if what you believe is true, and the Steelers did absolutely nothing, and the Seahawks really scored 42 or whatever you have convinced yourself of…the result is still final. You suck it up and move on, only crybaby losers dwell on that for 6 years.
Sorry, but Seahawk fans aren’t “victims” of anything. Those people in Haiti are victims…Seahawk fans are just whiny pussies, which explains Seattle’s 15 year dominance in suicide rate

Yeah “blinders on” Whatever helps you get through it. Don’t worry, the Eagles/Bengals will get there..someday. And when it happens, you will turn from hero to the meek underdog, to cocky new defender of your winning team that losers find any excuse to try to trivialize out of their own jealousy….which says YOU are the one that pins too much on your team’s success.
I don’t hate anyone or any team because they win, that’s you kid.
the Patriots have owned us for almost 10 years. I could go your route…

Now with that said. Keep in mind that these are responses about a player I already know about, in an attempt to talk football (which I’ve always done here before aimless, wandering d-bags like yourself felt the need to “make a stand”)

FrankWyt - February 24, 2012 reply

Obviously we have problems seeing eye to eye. This whole conversation spawned from your jumping into a conversation about how I feel about Steelers fans. You contended that notion, I rebuttled. The places you take it, there’s just no way to stay on topic. Suffice to say that I do not agree with your views. Outside of that, I feel that we cannot have a meaningful conversation. If you could, in the future, please refrain from responding as engaging you is a waste of time for the both of us.

einman77 - February 24, 2012 reply

Obviously we do. Yes, I “jumped in” because this is a public forum. One in which I frequented through most of the season, and I responded to your public comment on this public forum. You have the right to say what you want on this public forum, I have the right to respond. I haven’t taken it anywhere off topic, you just have a little bag of tricks your resort to every time someone challenges what you say. It’s very obvious, but hey, it is what it is.
You keep saying “meaningful conversation” but, you’ve never made any attempt at it. You just want me to “confess my sins” to you, so that you will feel better about yourself, and have your irrational hatred justified. The right thing to do is just bow out, because your act is stale.
You can try to channel Freud all you want, but all it does is expose who you are, not me.
If you had something to say, and didn’t hide it behind layers of psychobabble, I’d be more than willing to carry out a conversation. But that wouldn’t interest you. The big bad Steeler fan bowing to your whim is what it would take to make you happy. Please don’t lie to the people

FrankWyt - February 25, 2012 reply

I feel that we cannot have a meaningful conversation

I guess I should have said that once it got to the point of cursing, hurling insults and personal attacks, there was just no way to move on from that.

Please don’t lie to the people

What people? You and I are the only ones still on this thread.

einman77 - February 25, 2012 reply

I question this logic

I’m all for providing some ‘cap relief’ at the expense of the Steelers losing their best offensive player (outside of Rothlesberger).

Cap space doesn’t win football games.

Animal_Like_Football - February 21, 2012 reply

At this point they have to pick thier poison

They have to start chopping people, and adding Wallace to their “must keeps” would signal getting rid of others. At this point Ward is gone, which who cares, but Casey Hampton looks on his way out too. They restructured some contracts and are keeping quite about that, but they are $20M over the cap at this point. They can’t keep doing that. They have to shed some salary, and quality player salary. Players win games, and cap space gets those players.

einman77 - February 21, 2012 reply

But wouldn't it be nice if we could choose the players they lose? lol

On second look at the whole thing, I don’t think they should sign Wallace, but not because of cap reasons. The bigger issue is that they could get a fast (though maybe not Wallace level) receiver without giving up a first round pick. There are plenty of good FA WRs out there

We don't get to pick

If there was a choice about it, #1 would be Polamalu, #2 would be Rothlesburger (strictly from a “deconstructing the Steelers” standpoint) and #3 would be Timmons. In all honesty, if they got the #21 pick and drafted Wright and he turned out to be nearly as good as Wallace (as they both have similar attributes) that would be a gift from heaven for them because he would come with huge cap relief. Again though, I think they would use that pick on more pressing needs.

Obviously, we have only one option on how to hurt them, which is a #2 wideout. They have any number of options on what they can do with that pick. In other words, they chose the player they gain, we can’t chose the player they lose.

einman77 - February 21, 2012 reply

Well put

Bigcatdaddy - February 21, 2012 via Android app reply

If we got your pick for Wallace, I can almost guarantee you a receiver wouldn’t be taken.

virginiastripes - February 20, 2012 reply

It's not just the first round pick

It’s the overall price. In order to obtain him it’s going to cost a lot and it will more than likely have to be for a long-term deal to make it worth while. In the next 2 to 3 years we are going to have to sign AJ, Andy, Geno, and Dunlap to extensions and long-term deals as well. I’d rather put my #1 money WR in AJ green in 2 years and if we sign Wallace to huge money that’s going to cut into the money available for the WR postition. Now Carl Nicks is a different story because we do not have in money in that group or any one on our current roster who is going warrant huge money. IMO when you are looking at scenereo like this one, you have to break down and budget each position seperately. Picking up a Meeachum or Wayne would make more since to me as well as drafting another WR to possibly develop into the next Wallace for a far less price.

biggie22 - February 20, 2012 reply

No question Mike Wallace is worth our 21.

He’s not worth a 10, but for sure his production is worth a 21. Now is he worth a $10 million roster bonus and a #21 and then many millions more per year? That gets harder to sell.

Personally I’d rather we pass and use FA dollars to fix our many holes in the secondary. Then use the draft to address the lines and RB.

BENGALS69 - February 20, 2012 reply

Precisely. I agree completely with your first paragraph.

IMO, simply not worth the #21 pick AND an limb-term contract in the neighborhood of $70-$80M.

If Wallace were simply an UFA, more serious consideration would be warranted. However, a first round pick AND a long-term contract worth $70-$80M is a very steep price to pay.

Let’s draft our own Mike Wallacé, instead of spending $70M to sign him long term AND sending a first round pick to the SteAlers.

The_Black_Stripes - February 20, 2012 via mobile reply

Wallace mistake.

We have our #1 WR. To bring in Wallace would require us to give up a #1 pick to a bitter rival and give the guy a huge K. That’s way too much for a #2 WR.

One point that gets lost

We would also be GIVING the Steelers another 1st round pick. They’d be fine at WR without Wallace. Sanders could replace him while Antonio Brown is already the #1 WR there. They’d be the (old) team with 2 first round picks and the ability to get younger. We shouldn’t give them that opportunity.
If I were 100% sure the Bengals were taking a WR in round 1, I’d be all for using that on Wallace. Even with a $35m Deal.
But if I were to rank the WRs…
1) K.Wright
2) J.Blackmon
3) M.Floyd
4) M.Wallace
5) A.Jeffery

Joe Goodberry - February 20, 2012 via Android app reply

do you feel like there is better value at WR in the later rounds?

i agree wallace isn’t worth the first round pick when we are not gaurenteed to pick a WR in the first. I feel like we can get what we are looking for as 2nd WR option later in the draft, while adressing more important needs in the first 3 rounds.

WR is DEEP this year

If we want a vertical deep threat only, we can find more than a few in rounds 2-4. Wallace isn’t an Elite WR, his types CAN be found. Look up T.J. Graham – NC state. Probably a 3-4 round pick who COULD be a Mike Wallace.

Joe Goodberry - February 20, 2012 via Android app reply

Im going to have to note T.J. Graham

also, I was going through some of the draft sceneros and found that a very good DT may slip into the second round. do you feel that the bengals can get a steal in the 2nd round at DT as well?

I do

Worthy (Mich St), Thompson (Clemson), Ta’amu (Washington) and Reyes (UConn). Two should be there.

Joe Goodberry - February 20, 2012 via Android app reply

Kawaan Short (Purdue) should be there in the third.

Or later… I gave him a 4th

Joe Goodberry - February 20, 2012 via Android app reply

i was opposed to drafting a DT in the second, but going through my draft scenerio's

there looks like a good chance we might actually go for a DT in the 2nd especially if we dont resign simms.

I forgot Dontari Poe (Memphis). If he shows up looking sloppy. He could be had in round 2.

Joe Goodberry - February 20, 2012 via Android app reply

T.J. Graham

He may have been the best WR at the Senior Bowl. I think he will steadily rise after the combine and pro days.

EPK1979 - February 20, 2012 reply

THIS!

Wallace is fast. That’s all. He’s not even the best WR on his own team. And, I really can’t stomach giving the Steelers another 1st round pick.

But wait a minute…I thought he was the best, and anyone who thought otherwise was ignorant? That’s what diesel says at least, and he’s the best Steeler expert around.

yes we can find better value...

in the second round, his name is Rueben Randle, he reminds me a lot of A.J. when he was in college

ARoo - February 20, 2012 reply

Randle, Criner, McNutt, Streeter, Hill, Hilton, Quick, Broyles, Adams...

Yep the list goes on and on

I bet Randle won’t be there.

Joe Goodberry - February 20, 2012 via Android app reply

I think he will.

Blackmon, Floyd, Sanu, Wright and Jefferey are basically locks to go ahead of him. Jones, Toon and McNutt are likely to go ahead of him as well. This is a really, really good WR class and I expect him to be there in the second.

REC, REC, and REC!

+1 I agree entirely

they’re gonna have to cut players. Put it this way, I know it’s not the same scenario but similar, we lost JJoe if we had got a first in return what that would of meant to us. Texans are in a position to go for him.

messjunk - February 20, 2012 reply

With you 100%, Joe.

People don’t seem to understand that it would work out better for the Steelers than it would for us. People keep saying we can take their #1 playmaker, etc., but they still have Sanders and Brown AND would probably be able to pick up Kendal Wright with the draft pick if they chose to.

Wait till next year and we are in the same spot except we can get him without having to give up a draft pick right? They are still going to be having cap issues most likely and wont be able to sign him to a monster contract like he will want. If we want him, go after him next year. Plus we can STILL go after a great WR this year in FA and not give up a draft pick. If we wanted to we can offer the same contract it would take to get Wallace to any other FA WR. If you want to invest that money in a WR, save the draft pick, and go after Colston, Bowe, Vincent Jackson, DeSean Jackson, Stevie Johnson, etc. ANY of those guys makes our offense pretty hard to contain too.

Bottom line is… not worth giving up the pick. Not worth GIVING the pick to the Steelers. Next year they lose Wallace most likely anyways (or any number of their players to keep him with a monster contract) and they DON’T get the draft pick. THINK THINK THINK!

Agree. Really dont want to give the SteAlers an extra first rounder, especially with their history of good drafting.

If Wallace were simply an UFA, more serious consideration would be warranted. But the long term contract PLUS sending Pitt pick #21 would be too high a price for me.

The_Black_Stripes - February 20, 2012 via mobile reply

The thing that would concern me most is that they could then comfortably draft Barron with one of their picks.

I really don’t want to deal with a Polamalu-taught Barron.

while Antonio Brown is already the #1 WR there

Finally, a non-Steeler fan that can see the truth about the WR situation.

Not really, they compliment each other

They compliment each other, of course, but Brown does everything. EVERYTHING. He is the number 1 guy. Wallace can do two things well. Run fast, and run fast.
Brown runs routes, fights for the ball, catches in traffic, he’s shifty, elusive, quick, and fast.

+1

Well frank, I has posted something on your site and everyone got on me saying, “the steelers have two number one’s”… lol

But I agree, Brown does everything you can expect from a WR. Wallace isn’t the greatest route runner, but he benefits from his speed. So there is no question I would want Brown over Wallace.

Well, your post actually sparked a lot of discussion and debate. Not sure if you read (can’t remember who’s) post about what a number 1 receiver really is. I don’t think everyone got on you, but obviously there were some people.
I agree with that guys post about number one receiver, but also realize that people are always going to use that label. So, using the label, Brown is the number 1.
And I’m with you on that one, if I could only have one, It would definitely be Brown (though best case is having both)

I don't think Frank is really a Steelers fan

He’s just so… civil. :)

I wish I could meet some of the people you guys talk about. Of course, I’m mostly going off of our site, and I haven’t met that many other Steeler fans. (they are around here I’m sure, but I just haven’t interacted with them)
But anyone who spends any time at BTSC and still says that crap…I just don’t get it. Where are you seeing these monster people? Are you talking about online? Or in person where you live? Break it down for me if you would.

I have serious doubts about this

Sanders could replace him while Antonio Brown is already the #1 WR there.

I highly doubt that Sanders, though good, could fill Wallace’s shoes. And while I like Antonio Brown and think he’s a good player, I feel like he’s being somewhat overrated here. We’re talking about a guy who isn’t much of a red zone threat (5’10 with 2 TDs last year) and benefited from coming out of nowhere when teams were focusing on Wallace. He’s a great receiver, don’t get me wrong here, but I’m not ready to say he could carry the load for the Steelers without Wallace as a running mate.

I highly doubt that Sanders, though good, could fill Wallace’s shoes

Depends on what you mean by “fill Wallace’s shoes”. If you mean, be the fastest receiver in the NFL and make defenses constantly fear him getting past their safeties, then no. But if you mean just in terms of receptions and yards, I think he can. He has a lot of the same qualities Brown has.(which are qualities that Wallace doesn’t)

I feel like he’s being somewhat overrated here

I assure you he’s not. The one being overrated on these boards is Mike Wallace. He’s fast…that’s it…
No one on our team was a redzone threat last year, that’s why our OC “retired” to Indy.
I’ve already pointed it out, but that “because of Wallace” thing is a myth. Brown got the ball more because he was willing to catch it in traffic, and go for the ball.
If Wallace ends up leaving, I will not be that concerned. People forget that Miller is a great receiver because he has to spend so much time staying in to block, and Saunders could develop in to a real threat. He’s big like Gronk, and is a former receiver, so he has receiver skills.

Miller will never be a receiver

He has been in the league for years. If you wanted to use him as a receiver, he’d be a receiver. He’s good at it but he’ll never be used like Gronk.

As for Brown, I think he’ll have a much harder time if Wallace leaves. Wallace’s deep threat ability requires safety help over the top. That frees up Brown underneath. Without that threat, coverage will be closer to the line than it currently is and Brown will have a tough time beating it.

And you underrate the ability to track the ball in the air. Wallace is fantastic at it. There are a lot of people who can just run fast, but not a lot who can successfully track the ball. Having a guy with a career average of 18 ypc is absolutely ridiculous. Your offense will be worse off without him.

Are you kidding or joking? Miller has been not only used as a receiver a ton, he’s done extremely well. If you’ll notice that his stats always match. He has consistently averaged 12 a catch, but plays on a team with O line deficiencies so he has to help block a lot.
But he wasn’t the guy that i was talking about when I mentioned Gronk.

As for Brown, I think he’ll have a much harder time if Wallace leaves.

Yes, I understand you’d like to believe that, and I’ve heard it a lot from non Steeler fans. I just think you are overrating Wallace. Your guys were double covering Brown, not Wallace in our first game, he STILL tore you up.
Wallace was doubled constantly by some teams who bought the hype and focused on him, it’s true. But it did not happen as often as outsiders think.
Brown was not just an “underneath” receiver. I’m not saying Wallace had no effect, I’m saying he is NOT the reason Brown is good.

And actually, I don’t underrate that ability, I just don’t think Wallace has it. You saw it first hand, in our first meeting. Ben didn’t over threw him, Wallace misjudged it. If he could have tracked that ball, that would have deflated your team, because we scored on our first two drives. That would have “put you to sleep”

Your offense will be worse off without him.

You mean instead of being the 22nd best, we’re going to be the 23rd best? (scoring)
or do you mean we’ll go from 12th best to 13th best? (ypg)

It's hard to argue with production

You said

He’s fast…that’s it…

but the “that’s it” in this scenario was good for 10 TDs in 2010 and 8 TDs last year. That’s exactly 4 times more TDs than Antonio Brown had. You make it sound like he’s Ted Ginn Jr. Granted, if Wallace somehow leaves I’m sure he’d get a couple more looks in the Red Zone, but he’s not going to make up for all that production.

And sorry, Sanders won’t put up 1200 yards and 8 TDs next year with or without Wallace.

He scored more touchdowns on deep balls, until he was bottled up (second half of this season). He isn’t going to be fighting two defenders in the endzone. The TD’s were mostly a product of his speed.

And sorry, Sanders won’t put up 1200 yards and 8 TDs next year with or without Wallace.

Sorry but that’s your opinion. And that’s not meant to sound rude, but no matter what either of us says, the right answer will be seen about a year after it happens if it does, so trying to act like you’re guaranteed to be right about something in the future is a little silly.
Remember how “doomed” we were because Plaxico Burress wanted to leave?
Remember how “doomed” we were because we traded away Santonio, the SB MVP?

I have full confidence that if we let Wallace go, it will be the right decision, as it has been an overwhelming majority of the time, no matter how much I doubted them. (Kirkland, Gildon, Lloyd, Porter, Chad Brown, Greene, Woodson, Washington, Faneca, Lake, many others)

Animal_Like_Football - February 21, 2012 reply

The Steelers have had some good fortune and good coaching

But WRs like Wallace don’t come around everyday. If he leaves, somebody will step up their production, but Sanders won’t command nearly the attention that Wallace gets.

ps, isn’t it sort of ironic that I’m the one defending Wallace and you’re the one saying he’s “overrated”? I think the offseason tends to scramble our brains.

Lol. I’m not saying Wallace has no value or anything like that. I just don’t think he’s worth what he’s going to command, and I certainly don’t think he’s worth that money AND a first round pick. I would be ecstatic if we got an extra first round pick, because we have injuries and players that are no longer worth their money.
He’s just really fast, and obviously it could hurt us, but I don’t think it’s as bad as some here do. Hell, losing him could turn out to be great if we happen to land another “lucky” pick as a result. If we don’t have him though, then Ben probably won’t just keep chucking it down the field at inopportune times.

As far as the irony, I guess so, but I always try to look at everything realistically. I’m not one of those fans that thinks every player we have is the best in the world or whatever. Now…if you were to say something bad about AB…we might have some beef lol

This isn't happening...

All this speculation of Wallace coming to us is a waste of breathe… Sure Mike Brown has been a little more savvy lately… But this would indicate he’s no longer running the Front Office at all…

JamesShively - February 20, 2012 reply

+1. But I wish you were wrong.

Although I will say, it really does seem mike has been listening to others much more over the last few years.

thenailer33 - February 20, 2012 via mobile reply

Agreed

If you consider all the different aspects of this potential deal, it’s absolutely worth a first round pick.. Outside of the obvious benefits for us, it cripples our biggest foe. The deal should at least be actively explored and offered for two reasons:
1. Mike Wallace is the exact type of player that the steelers d has nightmares about.
2. At the very least, an offer like this could drive up the price on his contract that they’d have to match to keep him. We can put even more cap pressure on the steelers just by making a legitimate play for Wallace

Eric Bieniemy - February 20, 2012 via mobile reply

Cripple?

I think the word you are searching for is “enable”

Are we going to spend a 1st rounder on a #2 receiver?

That’s where you get your #1s

Agree

Joe Goodberry - February 20, 2012 via Android app reply

Plus watch Wallace's route running...

It’s not really that great. I’d take Antonio Brown 10x before I take Wallace. Wallace is the sexier name because he has the speed and the deep threat… but a deep threat isn’t what we need for this WCO. We need a guy with good route running who can get separation on short and intermediate routes and make yards after the catch. If you want a guy like that go after Colston, Dwayne Bowe, or any number of other FA WRs.

Agree

Brown is a better all around WR than Wallace

Joe Goodberry - February 20, 2012 via Android app reply

+1

i like brown way more than wallace.

Still won't happen

That being said, I don’t think there is much of a chance of this happening when you wake up and remember who’s writing the checks

Eric Bieniemy - February 20, 2012 via mobile reply

Quite The Dilemma

Wallace would be a great addition but… We give pit a 1st and tie up a huge amount of cash which we may need to keep our core together so i don’t think it is worth it. The move wouldn’t cripple the steelers as some believe and overall, having them shell out huge bucks for a contract to Wallace might actually hurt them worse down the road.

laibach - February 20, 2012 reply

To me this would be a disgrace

I was wrong about Routt though,so what the hell do i know

Wallace may be well worth the pick and the 75 trillion dollar investment,but IMO this is a PS3 move

keithp - February 20, 2012 reply

Yep, lets save that 80 plus million contract for AJ. Because he will have the biggest bengals contract in history a few years down the road

Exactly how much is Wallace expecting to sign for?

Eric Bieniemy - February 20, 2012 via mobile reply

5-6 years at $8-9m per year. Total of $40-52 million. $16-20 Guaranteed.

Joe Goodberry - February 20, 2012 via Android app reply

The only way to guarantee the Steelers couldn't match it would be to use a risky move and give him a massive first year roster bonus.

Put $15-20 million on the cap this year (and have to pay him that) in order to render the Steelers helpless. That isn’t a move I’d like to see us make, though.

The_Black_Stripes - February 20, 2012 reply

Or...

They could use a “Poison pill” and put in Wallace’s contract: ‘If Wallace plays more than 6 games in the state of Pennsylvania, his ENTIRE contract is guaranteed.’ That would stop Pittsburgh from matching it.

Joe Goodberry - February 20, 2012 via Android app reply

Poison Pills are NOT allowed under the new CBA.

I will try to post the link.

The league got so pissed when Minnesota “Poisoned Pill-ed” Steve Hutchinson away from Seattle. A couple of years after that, Seattle returned the favor and “Poisoned Pill-ed” Nate Burleson away from Minnesota as a RFA.

The league office actually sent both clubs a scaring letter disapproving. As such, Poison Pills are no longer allowed in player contracts under the new CBA.

I well try to post thw link

The_Black_Stripes - February 20, 2012 via mobile reply

*scathing, not scaring letter. Although I'm sure it was a scary letter also.

The_Black_Stripes - February 20, 2012 via mobile reply

Article 9, Section 3 (e)(iii) of the new CBA:

Notwithstanding Subsections (i) and (ii) above, no Offer Sheet may con-tain a Principal Term that would create rights or obligations for the Old Club that differ in any way (including but not limited to the amount of compensation that would be paid, the circumstances in which compensation would be guaranteed, or the circumstances in which other contractual rights would or would not vest) from the rights or obligations that such Principal Term would create for the Club extending the Offer Sheet (i.e., no "poison pills").

New CBA here. Article 9, deals exclusively with veteran free agency.

Thanks!

Joe Goodberry - February 20, 2012 via Android app reply

No prob. Yeah, the "poison pill" tactic was getting beyond ridiculous. The one the Vikings put in Hutchinson's Offer Sheet was pretty hilarious (and quite clever). The new CBA closed that loophole.

The_Black_Stripes - February 20, 2012 reply

Odd Stuff

Grab An Arm?

I'd imagine the team most likely to sign him to a offer sheet and give up a first round

pick is New England. They have a #31 and a 27 with the #31 going as compensation according to the rules. The Giants exposed them as a team with no deep threat so Wallace would be attractive to the Pats I’d think.

So in all likelihood this is nothing more than a time waster for all of us working drones.

BENGALS69 - February 20, 2012 reply

Don't know what their cap space is but

San Fran could be a possibility too. They need a true number 1 guy and a late first rounder.

EPK1979 - February 20, 2012 reply

If you want speed from free agency, grab Ted Ginn; otherwise, draft a WR.

DTFCPDX - February 20, 2012 reply

Ginn is NOT a deep threat. He has NO ball tracking skills.

Joe Goodberry - February 20, 2012 via Android app reply

He replaces Tate; the deep threat you draft.

DTFCPDX - February 20, 2012 reply

You could replace Tate.

Joe Goodberry - February 20, 2012 via Android app reply

Dalton Does Not Have An NLF Arm!

Consider the poor and expect the worst! Dalton needs Help. Gruden lost the game. Why do the Bengals enter game with a poor Arm! Dalton has no arm! Gruden has a nobody! Can Dalton ever make the it in the NFL?

Already has

keithp - February 20, 2012 reply

Dalton has an NFL arm, not an NLF (National League of Fun) arm

DTFCPDX - February 20, 2012 reply

i would have to agree with Chili on this one

Dalton has an NFL arm, just not an elite NFL arm. I think he can definately improve his deep balls.

Great Arms show it off

Dalton shows the weak Arm? Im i wrong?

The Van Buren Boys - February 20, 2012 reply

Chili start watching the games

njbengalstat - February 20, 2012 reply

It’s not weak, but it’s not his strength.

Joe Goodberry - February 20, 2012 via Android app reply

CHILI=CARSON

Carson=well we all know that

keithp - February 20, 2012 reply

The more I've thought about this, would rather keep the picks.

Giving them an extra pick and helping them get younger is too much along with a huge contract. If we didn’t have any weapons at WR or TE I might feel differently, but we just need a capable guy who can stretch the field. A first and huge money contract is too much to pay for that.

Those picks can be instrumental in getting

TR or DeCastro given the choice of Wallace or Richardson that’s a no brainer

messjunk - February 20, 2012 reply

Who has an Arm

Is Dalton the Arm! Or can the Bengals do better?
Why do the Bengals engage with Unsound QB?
Dalton cant keep up?
Dalton has no Arm!
Did Mike And Palmer understand that Andy Dalton has no Arm!?
Dalton has NOT ARM! Who can say other!
Andy Dalton has the worst arm of ever.

Jeebus

Get off the arm already. His arm isn’t the cannon of some QBs but his arm is fine.

Who has the Brain

Is Chili the Brain! Or can we do better?
Why do we engage with such Unsound Logic?
Did we watch the games?
Chili has no Brain!
Did we all understand that Chili has no Brain?!
Chili has NOT BAIRN! Who can say other!
Chili has the worst brain of ever.

We’ve seen Andy Dalton make the deep throws. He doesn’t have the cannon arm that Ryan Mallet has, but you don’t really need one in a WCO. And just so you know, the big knock on Drew Brees early in his career was that he had a weak arm… Andy has plenty arm for what we need… watch the games. Plus he will most likely improve his arm strength from where it was in the off season anyways.

Nice!

Funny, but don’t single Chili out. He’s just a little strange. We’ll all be alright.

Joe Goodberry - February 20, 2012 via Android app reply

I know haha I'm just having a little fun!

No offense Chili :-P

I bet u chili is some hot chick messin with a bunch of guys

njbengalstat - February 20, 2012 reply

Yeah! Chili Talk!

johnson_cody_18 - February 20, 2012 reply

Definitely more of a fan of drafting Kendall Wright

We’d get a better receiver right now with Wallace, but also a mega-contract, as well as giving the Steelers a first. SOMEONE will take Wallace from them, whether it be the Pats, 49ers, Ravens, it doesn’t matter. Wright won’t make the immediate impact Wallace would, but lets be honest, we’re not exactly primed for a Superbowl run THIS season. In the end, Wright would definitely be the smarter pick.

AJ + Wallace would be the best wide receiver duo since Harrison + Wayne

And we could have them BOTH in their primes for 4-5 years. Throw in Gresham and Shipley as a bonus and I don’t know what more you could ask for if you’re Andy Dalton. You’d still have the money to spend on Carl Nicks or Ben Grubbs, locking down possibly the best left side of an offensive line in the league. This offense is SO close to be surprisingly elite and being that way for a LONG time that I almost dont’ want to think about these moves that seem so obvious…I’m so Bengalized I can’t imagine it happening but they should be no brainers.

eric nyc - February 20, 2012 reply

Wallace is the best option no one could possibly be better!

Not Dwayne Bowe, Marques Colston, Vincent Jackson, DeSean Jackson, Garcon, Wayne, Welker, Stevie Johnson, Brandon Lloyd, Meachum, Manningham.

Even if these guys are a step down in your eyes, we can get them ANY of these guys for the type of contract it would take to get Wallace. Take your pick. AND KEEP YOUR PICK TOO! Get any of these AND keep your first round draft pick with an identical contract that we would’ve offered Wallace… To me the decision of what to do is pretty clear. Take an unrestricted FA WR (there are lots of good ones this year) and keep our draft pick. Or if you really want to spend that pick on Kendall Wright.

I know, I know, everyone says a draft pick isn’t a guaranteed thing, but neither are free agent WRs… a few names come to mind from the recent past.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/20/nicks-likely-to-get-tag-if-brees-deal-finished-in-time/

You, my friend, could not have summed it up better. No to Wallace as a RFA. It's that simple. Who Dey

Here’s hoping Brees doesn’t agree to terms before March 5th, so the Saints are forced to use the tag on him instead of Carl Nicks.

The_Black_Stripes - February 20, 2012 reply

I just can't agree

I get the argument, it’s not a bad one. But Wallace is 26 years old and has 4 years of prime performance in him. Assuming you used that pick on a receiver, you couldn’t be guaranteed anything like the elite receiver Wallace has already proven himself to be. In addition, if you made this move and the move for an elite guard, your offense is basically set (with an extension for Gresham next year) for the next 4 years. And not just se tin a minimal sense, but set in the sense that you’ve set up Andy to be an elite QB. And none of this is even broaching the subject of taking Wallace away from Pittsburgh – how long have Pittsburgh AND Baltimore been looking for an elite receiver like Mike Wallace? Poaching him would almost be like adding another high round CB.

It’s a bold move. I’ll give you that. It’s a move not a LOT of organizations would make. But it’s a move with a lot of upside and one that could payoff HUGE. If I’m Jay Gruden, I think of putting AJ and Wallace on the outside and suddenly I can dictate where 4 defensive players are on every single snap. Imagine that. You want them 40 yards downfield on the right? Done. How about bunched in the middle 15 yards from scrimmage. Done. You want both safeties on one side for a stretch run? No problem. It’s tennis without a net.

eric nyc - February 20, 2012 reply

^This is the best argument I've seen against signing Wallace

There are receivers out there to be had that won’t cost a first round pick.

That said, Wallace is probably the best of the bunch and it would hurt a division rival to grab him. But it’s probably not in our long-term interest.

I don't think there's another receiver out there that compares to him

Colston would be the next best thing, and Colston is 3 years older than Wallace so has probably already peaked. Give him a 4-5 year contract and you’ll be paying for his declining years. Give that same contract to Wallace and you have an All Pro ready to step on the field opening day and start who’s going to give you 4-5 years of his prime opposite maybe the soon-to-be best receiver in the league…Again, even if you ignore the damage it does to your biggest division rival that is a rare thing to be able to find in free agency.

eric nyc - February 20, 2012 reply

Saying he doesn't compare is true in a way.

In that most of these other receivers have way better route running and are all around better receivers… Wallace just has the speed… I’d rather have many of these other guys than Wallace personally.

You underestimate the speed and ability to get behind the corner

Big plays leads to more points. Safety coverage rolled over to AJ and Wallace means more underneath for Ship and Gresham. Wallace would make us significantly better.

That assumes we land a OG. Andy would need time up the middle to throw it deep.

But it isn't what our offense is designed to do.

We run a WCO. WCO isn’t about the deep pass. You can dream about it all you want, but if you’re running a WCO you don’t go for a guy who has ONLY speed. You go for a good route runner with reliable hands who can make yards after the catch. It just doesn’t fit in our offense. Tell New England to go get him. Seems like a good fit there.

+10000

is 6.8 YAC low in the NFL?

I’m thinking that’s pretty good is it not? Funny how in WCO we aren’t supposed to throw it deep but I’m pretty sure most of AJ’s Td’s were for 30 yds or more were they not? To say Wallace would not be a good fit for this team is ignorant. He is a way better option then Simpson and would greatly improve our Offense. I guess Im not aware that Wallace is all of the sudden not good. Im thinking 3200 yds and 24 Td’s over 3 yrs is pretty damn good. He also seems to show up in every game. A bad game for wallace and he still nearly almost has 100 yds.

K let me try to simplify this. I think Wallace is a great talent and would be thrilled to have him...

BUT how much better is he than any other free agent WR that we could land with the same type of contract. Take your pick of who you want / who you think wil bet there when we pick… choose from Cordy Glenn, Doug Martin, Lamar Miller, Stephon Gilmore, Janoris Jenkins.

Wallace vs Dwayne Bowe + pick
Wallace vs Colston + pick
Wallace vs Vincent Jackson + pick
Wallace vs DeSean Jackson + pick
Wallace vs Stevie Johnson + pick

See my point?

Luke - February 21, 2012 reply

Gotcha

I agree that he's the best in the FA class

But I would take a first round pick plus Colston over Mike Wallace minus a 1st rounder. That’s why it’s the better argument for my money.

thegrassisGREENer18 - February 20, 2012 reply

HELL YES

This is a no brainier to me, would do this deal in a heart beat

HELL NO

This decision is a no brainer to me, this deal is not only stupid but it’s extremely stupid, i mean for crying out loud there better WRs in the first 2 rounders to be had for the price the bengals would have to pay for Wallace, I mean, Blackmon, Floyd,Wright, Sanu, Jeffery, Randle, Hill, Toon, Criner, Quick, Adams, and Givens…. all supposed to fall within the 1-3 rounds thats a DEEP line of recievers, and not to mention F.A…. Colson, Jackson, Jackson, Garcon, Wayne, Lloyd, Meachum, Manningham….. i mean either way theres a LOT of good WR’s that could step in as a #2 WR, i’d personally take Wright, Jeffery, Randle, Toon, Adams or Givens in a heart beat and have to pay any of them a FRACTION of what you’d have to pay for Wallace, and not to mention younger and a thirst to prove themselves

ARoo - February 20, 2012 reply

WR is deep

But none of those receivers are better than Wallace at this stage. Wallace is proven, they’re all unproven. Think of how many WRs fail each year. It’s roulette.

That being said, I think we have too many needs to give up a pick and sign him to a big contract. If it happened, I’d be excited but I rather it didn’t.

Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan - February 20, 2012 reply

I say we just hurt them on game day

I don’t want to see the Bengals give them anything but a big fat black eye on Sunday. Their already down a starting RB and Ben, Troy, and some of the other old guys have a hard time staying health so lets leave it alone and let it play out on the field.

Bigcatdaddy - February 20, 2012 via Android app reply

Losing Wallace

Losing Wallace for the 24th overall pick would hurt though not as much as losing him for the 31st overall pick.

As a Steelers fan, I am hoping the Colbert can clear enough cap space to get Wallace resigned. Wallace lost catches to AB but that was because he was drawing the double coverage giving the rest of the receivers more opportunities. The idea of having to play against him 2 or 3 times a year is not my idea of a good time. Our corners are looking better but not that much better.

Played this game last night

In another thread… To much to give up. Ist round picks do not demand the money and strain on your system that they did prior to the CBA. You blow a huge chunk of all this cap money we’re all doin flips over. Which could be used to shore up a lot off things if used properly in combo with our draft status.

You have to pay this guy stupid money due to the craze involving the FA period. Then give up a one…No way. We’re wasting our time considering this. They.re not.

If we just give up a pick here make sure that we get Richardson with it. Short of that stick this surplus of wealth into the defense. We all talk about the WR surplus Pitts burg has and how Wallace isn’t even the No.1. And yet the secondary on this team is threadbare to say the least. Putting both those picks in DB’s wouldn’t break my heart.

There’s a top ten WR free agents list on FF which shows how deep the pool is this year. I Iike Meachum myself. He’s an under the radar guy averaged 50 balls a year. limited due to the balanced offense they run. Big fast and sure handed… He’s droped eleven balls in four years an he’s 27 yrs old. Given the opportunity he’s a better fit in this offense than Wallace

Steve Johnson or even V. Jackson after he See’s no ones paying him what he thinks. I also think Posey will exceed his status to for a late round

olbuzz - February 21, 2012 reply

Not sure if I like giving the Steelers an extra 1st round draft pick and freeing up all that money for them

But, Wallace is a nice player

jsl413 - February 21, 2012 reply

The only way to settle this

Do a mock assuming we sign Wallace and one where he stays put. Factor in other moves, such as other cap casualties for Pittsburgh, alternate FA signings etc. And then compare the Bengal vs Steelers ending rosters in both scenarios to see who wins out.

I like this idea