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KFFL: Alabama CB Dre Kirkpatrick Good Fit For Bengals

TUSCALOOSA AL - SEPTEMBER 11:   Dre Kirkpatrick #21 of the Alabama Crimson Tide attempts to gain control of a fumble against quarterback Robert Bolden #1 of the Penn State Nittany Lions at Bryant-Denny Stadium on September 11 2010 in Tuscaloosa Alabama.  (Photo by Kevin C. Cox/Getty Images)

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over 1 year ago: TUSCALOOSA AL - SEPTEMBER 11: Dre Kirkpatrick #21 of the Alabama Crimson Tide attempts to gain control of a fumble against quarterback Robert Bolden #1 of the Penn State Nittany Lions at Bryant-Denny Stadium on September 11 2010 in Tuscaloosa Alabama. (Photo by Kevin C. Cox/Getty Images)

Mock draft after mock draft has the Cincinnati Bengals selecting a cornerback with either the 17th or 21st pick. It's a good idea, because, to be frank, cornerback is a glaring hole in the Bengals 2012 defense. Not only are both backups Adam Jones and Kelly Jennings free agents, but starter Leon Hall had a serious achilles injury in week 10 of the regular season and may not be the same player after an extensive rehabilitation process. To top things off, the other starter, Nate Clements, is the oldest player (32) signed to the team in 2012, and had more than a few slip-ups in coverage this year.

The Bengals will likely infuse some young talent into this CB corps, and may be taking one or more cornerbacks in this year's draft. Some popular names include Alabama's Dre Kirkpatrick, North Alabama's Janoris Jenkins, Nebraska's Alfonzo Dennard, and South Carolina's Stephon Gilmore. Of these four, Kirkpatrick is usually the first one mocked off the board, but his stock has slightly dropped as a result of being arrested for marijuana possession (the charges have since been dropped, as it was revealed that he was merely the passenger in the car and the drugs were not his).

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Kirkpatrick is viewed as the second best cornerback in the draft, the first being LSU's Morris Claiborne, who will probably be drafted in the top 5 overall.

Since Kirkpatrick will probably fall in the middle of the first round to a cornerback-needy team, it's no surprise that many media members and fans believe he could be taken by the Bengals in the first round. In fact, KFFL recently published a scouting report on Kirkpatrick and listed both Bengals picks as possible landing spots for the young cornerback.

This scouting report contains a great summary of Kirkpatrick's positives and negatives. It lists him as a player who "plays with a lot of confidence and earned the nickname 'Swag' from his teammates" and "excellent man-to-man coverage skills", with "enough recovery speed to usually make up for being too aggressive".

  • Plenty of size to contend with large receivers (6-foot-2, 192 pounds) and win jump balls - large wingspan helps him break up passes
  • Two-year starter - was tested considerably as a sophomore and quickly grew into the role
  • Plays with a lot of confidence and earned the nickname "Swag" from his teammates
  • Excellent man-to-man coverage skills
  • Enough recovery speed to usually make up for being too aggressive
  • Fluid hips to smoothly transition out of his backpedal
  • Experience as a blitzer
  • Willing tackler - excels against outside running plays
  • Strong work ethic - respected teammate
  • Special teams experience as an outside blocker
  • Reasonable amount of upside

When it comes to his flaws, KFFL only says that he can be too aggressive at times, he tries to jam too often which can result in him getting off balance and that he is still raw in zone coverage.

If Kirkpatrick slips past the Cowboys at the 14th pick, I think he's a very solid pick at 17. He has great height for a cornerback at 6-foot-2, (something that Dennard and Jenkins don't have). He's also been starting on one of the best defenses in college football for the last two years, and excels in both coverage and in run support. He has few flaws and can contribute right away. That's an A pick in my book.

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Love me some Dre.

Covers well in space and likes to come up and stick people. I really like him and Gilmore.

If he's there at 17 he's my pick

Even over DeCastro. Only way I’d pass on him was if Richardson was also there, but I don’t see both of those things happening. Even if it did, I’d take Richardson and then see what it would cost to trade up a few spots from 21 and grab Kirkpatrick too. THAT would be a haul.

no way over decastro.

Decastro, kirkpatrick, Richardson in that order. Of course cant complain about getting any of them though.

I agree

But i’d think the Bengals would draft Dre over Decastro,just because they dont seem to value or understand a fucking thing
about the offensive line.

i think they would too
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it really depends what we do with our FA

we can resign some of our own and maybe one solid starting FA. We wouldn’t necessarily need to draft decastro. I think we go for a corner easily with the success we had with drafting corners in the first.

I think its more realistic we go for a safe FA pick by signing lineman in FA. Then worry about addressing the defense with the draft.

they dont seem to value or understand a ****ing thing about the offensive line

what?
you mean starting Livings over Mathis and Roland over Collins means they don’t understand anything about the o-line.

oh, yeah, you’re right :-)

That is an unfair assessment

Andre Smith was taken 6th overall. They took Levi Jones and Willie Anderson 10th overall, Steinbach 33rd, Whitworth in the second. They signed Bobbie Williams in free Agency, and both signed a replacement for Livings and attempted to draft one. I would be surprised if we don’t have a new guard by the end of the second round.

I think we are really going to get a big FA guard

Andre hasnt earned the right to be mentioned with those other guys
Levi,Willie and Steinbach seem like forever ago
Your probably right,if we dont get a FA guard there is no way we make it past the 2cd round without drafting one

If my assessment is unfair,then why is our biggest off season need GUARD

i'd love to get 2 starting guards this off season, we need them

but i consider cornerback our biggest off season need.

Hall – hurt, may never be the same player again.
Nate – another year older, another step slower than 2011.
Jones – free agent, possible suspension coming from NFL.
Jennings – free agent, iffy starter, ok at depth. played better as season progressed.

Because Boling, McGlynn, Max Jean GIles, and Duece Laputi didn't work out as well as we would have liked
Also Bobbie WIlliams did not play 16 games for the first time since 2006.
Didnt worked out as well as we liked

You sound like a spokesman for Mike Brown himself

I am just saying they attempted to fix left guard last year

But you can’t take a guard 4 overall, and QB was a bigger need in the draft last year. They attempted to fix the position in Free Agency, but failed, making guard a bigger need this year.

Sorry for not overreacting.

What about Mathis?

I’m just saying they dont know or care about the line

I agree with jim0ijk...

The Bengals did try to address their guard issue last season. Max Jean-Gilles did not work out, and unfortunately Duece Laputi failed a physical. They did draft Clint Boling in the 3rd round, but he was not able to adjust to the NFL game as quickly as we would like, and they did go after Mike McGlyn as well. Did these work out, absolutely not, however, to say that the Bengals did not address their issue with their guards, is not being really fair. They tried, and I for one would be surprised if opening day McGlyn and Livings are out starters….

yes and no.

did the bengals keep or utilize evan mathis? did the bengals put smith in at guard and let collins start at tackle?

Thats what i'm trying to say

Even if they try,do they know what they are doing?
Has there been any accountability?

To an extent I agree

There are some positions that the Bengals target specifically and fill right away, specifically, CB, QB, and tackle come to mind. Other positions, they seem to throw palyers at until one sticks like MLB, Saftey, TE and WR.

I am not certain where guard falls in. Hard to tell on the right side, becuase Bobbie Williams started 118 out of 144 games under Marvin Lewis. On the other side, Eric Steinbach was Marvin’s second draft pick, he was excellent, but we refused to pay him at the 7 million a year elite level, paying the Tackles instead. He was replaced by another second rounder in Andrew Whitworth, but he was too good and moved to left tackle. After that we had Mathis and Livings.

The coaching staff knew that Livings was not a viable NFL starter going into this year. The question becomes were they unable to replace him due to the shortened offseason, but decided to ride what we had since Livings has been good enough to get us to the playoffs 2 of the last 3 seasons, or was it an inability to find the right person.

I believe it was the shortened offseason, combined with a fear of paying someone who failed a physical after the Antoino Byrant FIasco.

My order would be a little different

Richardson, Kirkpatrick, then DeCastro. Their are some good guards to be had in FA and later rnds of the draft. IMO there’s a larger drop of in talent at the RB & CB position after these two. Not so much at G. Again this is my opinion but Kirkpatrick is right there with Claiborne, not much different and I absolutely love dre’s style. He would be a perfect fit in Zimmers D.

i think decastro is a better prospect

And think the exact opposite about the drop off. Decastro best by far guard, then Glenn and konz who are questionable, then the rest. Corners you have clairborne kirkpatrixk and Jenkins, then gilmore, Robinson, minifield, then the rest. Running back Richardson, then miller, Martin, polk, Wilson, then the rest. Runningbacks are way easier to find later if you gave a guy like decastro up front.

if he is really that good, then we wont have a chance

Dallas will draft him no question. they are in need of Oline and DBs. But since Decastro is rated pretty high on most boards, i bet Dallas takes Decastro first, if he isn’t picked in the top 10

there is a good chance of that

But anything can happen. They could decide to spend a first on corner seeming how they just drafted tyron smith last year. Or could easily go decastro, so could the seahawks, or cardinals.

+1

If Kirk and DeCastro are both there, I think DeCastro is the choice.

i'd put Kirk & DeCastro, then Richardson

just because RB’s have such a short shelf life, that you’re less likely to get as much out of him as you are a CB or OG. Also, if he has to run behind guys like McGlynn and Livings, Richardson isn’t gong to fare much better than Benson.

Please stop bringing up this argument.

Livings and McGlynn are NOT going to be our guards this year… probably won’t even be resigned. Combination of Boling/Bobbie/ FA/drafted in the first couple rounds will be our starters. If we get Richardson he WILL be better than Benson AND he will be behind a better line.

My order is Richardson, Kirkpatrick, DeCastro. Guard talent this year in round 2 will be late first round talent most other years. Might think about taking Kirkpatrick at 17 and hope Richardson falls to 21, then take Osemele or Zeitler or Nix in 2nd. We WILL get a starting guard in the draft if we don’t sign one in FA.

what part of it do you not like, that you don't want it brought up?

Boling / Bobbie isn’t a lot better than Livings / McGlynn.

yes we can possibly get better OG’s via free agency or later in the draft, and therefore take Richardson early

but we can also possibly get a better RB via free agency or later in the draft, and therefore take DeCastro early

there is depth in both positions this year, so i fail to see how the one path greatly trumps the other (Richardson over DeCastro)?

Here's the part of your argument that I find to be a head scratcher.
Richardson isn’t gong to fare much better than Benson.

I actually agree that the line is the bigger, more pressing need, but Richardson is 100% better than Benson in every facet of the game.

head to head i agree TR > Ced

But I think Ced behind an improved line > TR behind a bad line

That’s why i’m more interested in improving the o-line than in who runs behind it.

Because there isn't a better RB in FA or the draft than TR

But you can’t say the same about DeCastro

i can't agree that TR is better than

Ray Rice, Matt Forte, Marshawn Lynch or Arian Foster

(yes, some of those guys might get franchised, but the top O-Guards might get franchised also)

You know

Damn well that Rice and Forte aren’t going anywhere. Lynch maybe but I’d take TR over him all day. I look at it like this, would you rather have Rice, Nicks, or Joseph on out team next year? Just one and no other players, just the roster at the end of the yr. I’d take AP because know matter how bad the o line is the D would have to respect him. If we had a running game we could’ve been alot better.

Realistically acquirable FA

You know that those guys aren’t going anywhere. He’s hands down better than Bush!

So now we're taking a S masquerading as a CB and over DeCastro no way

I’d take DeCastro over Richardson if they were both there

definatly a corner with one of our two picks in the first

i think there are about 4 corners we can take in the first that would be worth the pick.

my order

because i see rb value in rd 2….I go Decastro or Kirkpatrick with #17 and Barron with #21

After the combine

I wouldnt be surprised if a lot corners push themselves into 1st round consideration. I would be happy with Gilmore, Kirkpatrick or Jenkins. I think all of them will be starters day 1.

We need corners more then we need o-line

Livings is trash don’t get me wrong but you can upgrade the line through FA

And were still go be VERY young next year, so I don’t think we want rookies playing on o-line.

Alabama CB Dre Kirkpatrick Good Fit For Bengals

Isn’t that like saying that Drew Brees or Andre Johnson would be a good fit for the Bengals?

Of course he’s a good fit. He’s a stud CB and our team needs a CB.

Heck, in that case…Luck, Claiborne, Kalil, Blackmon, etc… would all be good fits for the Bengals.

i was thinking the same thing
True, but Kirkpatrick has a better chance of falling than those 4.
if he falls to 17, doesnt matter who else is on the board

we take him.

someone else that important on the board with him at 17, we trade for the 18th pick. (like decastro).

Kirkpatrick was best player on feild in BCS Championship. Grab him and Barron in the first and ur secondary is 20x better than last year. Hell its even possible Barron might slip into 2nd with his new injury.

Wow, Pray you are actually making sense!

Yes, if Kirkpatrick is there, grab him! Our secondary was our achilles heel (no pun intended towards Hall) all year, we need to upgrade our secondary and having gone offense (Green, Gresham, A. Smith) the last three drafts in the 1st round, we need to get a Defensive standout this time around….

if the bengals landed kirkpatrick and barron in the 1st round

nobody (with any sense) is going to complain one bit about it on this forum. all the bengals would have to do for the rest of the draft, find a guard and running back in the 2nd and 3rd. then a few depth bodies for the rest of the draft. would be 2 steps in the right direction for the franchise. and a draft to be proud of for years to come.

I second that............

then with whatever we are able to do in FA as an added bonus (hopefully sign a G/WR).

lets hope we start plugging holes in early march so we can do this

I wouldn’t touch Barron in the first round because of his injury but he might slip in the 2nd which would make him a steal.

barron at 21

while not the perfect 1st round pick, isn’t a bad choice for the bengals. consider how porous our safety situation has been for years

That injury nothing to really worry bout. Don’t think he would last until we picked in 2nd.

Draft

I am in favor of getting a guard in free agency when you have names like Carl Nicks, Ben Grubbs, and Chris Myers out there. I would prefer to draft a young running back and corner. As young running backs have the burst that Cedric is missing and a young corner could come in and learn from a veteran group of corners and put the Bengals back as having one of the better CB duo’s. If we cannot pull Tyvon Branch from Oak or Michael Griffin from Tenn then draft a safety in the draft.

I Hope

he does fall to us. This is the CB I hope we have a chance to draft. I like his size and height and his playmaking ability!

Then draft defense with the 21st pick. Give Zimmer some more tools.

Draft 1 defensive player in the 1st to placate Zimmer and entice him to re-up after this upcoming season.
I would like to go defense with both picks in the first.

Unless a top 10 offensive talent falls, ala Decastro or Richardson.

The only way i see that happening

is if we get Kirk and someone takes the guards we want. But I still think with the money we have we can get the best free agent guard in Carl Nicks who is proven. Barron with next pic and then in the second take a running back and we would be deadly.

Dre Kirkpatrick

He would be a great pick, we need a #2 Corner…PacMan is better as a #3 and Clements is getting old but i’d still keep Clements as depth.

Let Pacman Go

If we draft a corner id rather keep Ghee. younger n less trouble as already under contract

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